Comment by tamimio
2 hours ago
Digital ID is a catastrophe, in Norway or elsewhere. But that doesn’t matter because the purpose of such ID is more surveillance, and if any issue happens you might end up liable like that man mentioned in the article. Right now in countries where digital ID isn’t yet implemented, phone numbers are used instead to link your digital identity to the real one, and most countries require government ID to issue one, and sometimes a biometric identification too, that number is later used in online services or messaging apps that links back to you. Watch now the applications that still insist on having phone numbers as an ID removing them once the digital ID is used instead.
I'm confused how Nordic countries accepted linking banking login with government ID. Neither of them is your friend and both of them are not a friend in a completely different way.
It's not linking banking login with government id. It is a story of the banks solving an issue with remote identification and the system working well enough that the public/government also want to use it for other things.
Being able to sign contracts, engage with the healthcare system, file taxes, read messages from the government and do general banking without having to leave the home is a massive convenience boost.
We are a high trust society where the government or the banks are not out to "get you". The majority of the banks (not by volume but by numbers) are even in a structure without any ownership of the capital except for the depositors, and most of the profit from these banks that is not used to build the capital further is handed out to customers and/or the local community.
> We are a high trust society where the government or the banks are not out to "get you".
That's not the meaning of a "high trust society".
You are _trusting_ that the banks and the government are not out to get you. That doesn't mean that they _really_ aren't out to get you. You just believe they aren't and haven't yet been disappointed enough to change your belief...
Edit: and the original article shows btw. that there is yet another failure mode, not only "out to get you". It's that the banks and the government obviously don't care a bit if some people are intentionally left behind.
Brazil has the same. It's possible to login in the government platform by your bank login. Simplifies a lot for the general population that won't use password managers and so on. And, as banks use a 2FA, security is improved.
Probably because they're not corrupt America. They don't walk around checking their back every minute for "Uncle Freedom" screwing them over.
It isn’t about corruption, when your data is now shared freely with other “partners”.
> Norway, Sweden, and Israel partner to test CBDCs (https://reclaimthenet.org/norway-sweden-and-israel-partner-t...)
Debanking someone is basically ending their lives in modern days, when your ID is linked to the banks, an ID that’s also to be used for digital services, you could get debanked for criticizing a politician in the future, for example.
And uncle freedom sure will get that data from their “closest ally”, not to mention any breaches like what happened in Sweden recently, a country that also wants to strap tracking on 13yo.
Digital ID is a nightmare anywhere’s used, it will turn any government into a totalitarian state.
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That seems better than the alternative in Belgium. There the prevalent ID app "itsme" was launched by a consortium of banks.
Last year the government launched an goverment owned alternative "myGov" and now has to claw back market share, which I don't see working out.