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Comment by varjag

21 hours ago

Black Plague ended in 14th century while industrial revolution started in the 18th. There is no connection.

The growth started in the 14th. It was awhile before the industry happened, but the change in growth rate is strongly connected with the Black Plague.

One of the many, many descriptions of this is here (many because this is the mainstream theory): https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/black-death-and-industrialisa...

The first technology wasn't the steam engine, it was eating beef instead of just grain, and having cattle pull plows. We don't think of that as a huge technological revolution, but it was a dramatic efficiency gain at the time. It wasn't a new invention, but there wasn't enough surplus to deploy it widely before that.

  • Anything can be anything if you stretch definitions far enough. But normally industrialization is seen as distinct and antagonistic to artisanal culture.

    • There was a very marked change in the growth rate, which is why economic historians focus on that.

      Yes, there were multiple further steps that needed to happen, as you note. But the black plague got the population "unstuck" from a local minimum that they could not grow from, to being able to have cattle plow the fields and eat meat that allowed them to have some surplus to capture the further gains.

      It's not that the later gains were inevitable, but that they never would have otherwise happened, and the growth rate started with the plague.

      It's like saying the current AI boom started recently, there's no way the steam engine was related. It is a clear causal chain, even though many things had to happen in between.

      But before the black plague, at least the "western world" was stuck in Malthusian dynamics where there was no growth in technology or income.

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  • Doesn't this article contradict your earlier comment? It claims that wages increased (elite were unable to capture the surplus) and as a result, workers were able to move from growing crops to farming animals, with resulting efficiency gains (i.e. they were able to acquire capital rather than pay all their surplus as rent).

    • It's a long arc, and as sibling comments say, there are many books about it.

      The elites being able to capture some of it was what allowed for science and the enlightenment to happen, which eventually led to the technology that inspired the industrial revolution.

      The big picture was it was the beginning of compound interest. This was a many step process over hundreds of years.

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Societal changes are slow beasts, they may very well take several centuries to develop. Nation-states were a direct consequence of the printing press, yet they didn't arrive until XIX century.