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Comment by apexalpha

6 hours ago

Defensive weapons are very much needed in Europe…

The new asymmetric reality is mostly short/medium range drones, ECMs and hypersonic missles. Loitering munitions are going to make tanks mostly obsolete and Jets are too expensive to risk over enemy territory that still has working radar/anti-air except for large shock&awe actions.

A lot of this stuff is hard to stop and too cheap to effectively stop economically anyhow, the best solution is distance and preemptive strikes at staging areas.

Indeed, hence most European defense companies experiencing somewhat incredible growth recently, with no signs of stopping.

Do we need Americans weapons? Unlikely and probably counter-productive long-term. Do we need European weapons? Hell yeah!

No they are not.

The amount of military spending europe has, is already higher than russia.

Russia clearly showed how incapable they are, they are not even able to present modern war technology at their freedom parade.

And china we don't fight china.

  • we have about 30 years of catching up to do, better defense spending:

    1) Saves our lives in Europe, by having access to better training and force multipliers.

    2) Seeps into the economies of every country in the union through research spending.

    Defence is unambiguously a good thing, it becomes a problem if you put an expansionist cunthead at the helm of it.

    • We can discuss if a society should have a certain amount of GDP invested into defense and i'm not necessarily against it.

      I would think educating people properly is good, I also think the swizz model is good in sense of everyone learns to handle a gun and can have it at home (as long as high security standards are set and its taken very serious).

      It could be used as a tool to strengthen societies responsibility, communication and combined with what the THW is doing (technical help org).

      But my statment is still true:

      We do not have to catch up. We are absolutly capable of defending ourselfs against the current biggest threat which is Russia.

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