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Comment by schnitzelstoat

16 hours ago

I'm not American so maybe I am missing some context. But how did admissions work without test scores?

> how did admissions work without test scores?

They look at "life experience" factors. Grades, of course, but also extracurricular activities such as school clubs, volunteering, activism, socioeconomic background and so forth.

The aim was to include as many varieties of these factors as possible in the student population to boost diversity without directly referencing skin color (which would be illegal).

There's a lot of antipathy towards standardized tests as things that disadvantage kids who don't test well, despite it being much cheaper and less time intensive to prepare for the test than it is to join a bunch of clubs and spend your weekends volunteering.

It turns out that removing the standardized testing requirement led to a lot of students wasting their money on courses that they weren't at all prepared to take.

It varies by school. I went to a (low ranking) state engineering school and it was guaranteed entry if a prospect met the following criteria:

- Had high school diploma (or equivalent).

- Resident of the state for >6 months (student or one parent).

- ACT score of something like 21. With provisional admission granted to students with scores below, until they completed all first year engineering courses with a B or better.

So likely they just dropped the concept of provisional admission. All that did was open up classes for registration a week later to ensure other students were able to get their preferred class openings. Provisional had to take the scrap classes, like the four-hour, once a week Calc class on Friday night.

Not American either, but in the US many schools use/used standardized admission tests (SAT/ACT) on top of things like HS GPA/grades.

There are many countries, especially in Europe, where entrance/admission tests are not a thing.

  • Yeah, in England only certain universities like Oxford and certain subjects like Mathematics have separate entrance exams.

    That said, the Sixth Form exams are mostly standardised with only a few different exam boards for the entire country, so the Sixth Form grades end up being something akin to standardised tests anyway.

They look at high school transcripts and the application essays. I don't know how they decide based on those.

Primarily your high school GPA, the average of your grades across 4 years of high school. Which arguably is a better indicator than a single test that you can test for.

The problem is if you have a high school with low standards you're getting A's when you didn't deserve them.

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  • >We used a vibes based system based on how compelling a sob story you could concoct whilst staying on the good side of fraud.

    Besides lost meritocracy, that is accidentally filtering for ability and willingness to manipulate others emotionally. Which feels really scary.

  • Your comment sounds vibes-based

    • It sounds like yet another far-right racist spreading misinformation under a randomly generated username.

      "Anno Floyd," fuck's sake, they have a severe brainworm infection to be mad at some guy murdered by police and the protesters upset by the situation. It is impossible to take a comment seriously with this.

  • Somehow majority of Ivy League students don't have those sob stories and did not had for last years either?