Comment by chrncirurp
9 hours ago
> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.
If you push back against unethical feature requests:
No union: you get fired
Union: you still get fired
9 hours ago
> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.
If you push back against unethical feature requests:
No union: you get fired
Union: you still get fired
Maybe don't apply to Meta in the first place? With their track record it's pretty obvious that you'll be part of building something morally dubious.
Still a better outcome than tossing your ethics overboard.
Why bother to join a union, pay dues, potentially have your career limited, and have another layer to deal with?
Just leave or be fired without the song and dance.
How would your career be limited?
Because you’re a person who cares about your fellow citizens and realize that collectively bargaining helps to lift all boats, not just yours
union strong, bro.
maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.
This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues? How many members are required to be able to afford the payout for just one member? How about the other services unions are touted as being able to provide? They all come from the same dues? I know that unions will put money into investment funds to attempt to grow the coffers, but that just means the money isn't liquid.
Unions are always touted as a panacea, but logically, it doesn't compute for me. They feel more like ponzi schemes than anything else.
that's definitely a big question and i don't pretend to have enough expertise to answer fully; however, i will point to the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan which is (per Wikipedia[1]) "one of the world's largest institutional investors [...] over $266 billion in net assets, with a one-year total-fund net return of 9.4%, and a 7.4% 10-year total-fund net return". the union runs their own investment fund; it's an extension of collective power into the financial realm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Teachers%27_Pension_Pl...
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> This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues?
That is how all unions were born.
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> That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues?
Yes, obviously. That's how every insurance works.
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Simple idea: look how other unions work, and in other countries as well. The wheel has already been invented.
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I didn't get fired.