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Comment by rtpg

17 hours ago

what's the argument for it being a scam?

They're an outlier in the industry in terms of profit per car. But they don't actually get revenue from selling cars, their revenue comes from selling car loans. So they're making the additional margin on the financing. They are also famous for not turning down loan applications. So putting the pieces together, it seems like they are selling high risk loans at a healthy profit. Which brings up the question of who is buying those loans. They don't disclose the buyers, but claim that those buyers are not controlled by Carvana or its parent. Given the history of fraud, it's hard to take those claims at face value. The suspicion is that they are selling the loans to family-controlled shell companies and leveraging the stock to finance the scheme.

  • This is how many businesses operate. You have still not provided example of fraud or scam behavior.

    • If "many businesses" operate this way, then "many businesses" are committing fraud. You can't publicly claim to be selling loans to an unrelated company when in fact you control that company.

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shady debt offloading onto its sibling financing entity, which is run by Carvana CEO's father, a man convicted of fraud

  • > financing entity, which is run by … a man convicted of fraud

    I didn’t think that was allowed.

    • Commander in chief got convicted in NY before being re-elected, I think everything's allowed these days.