Comment by woadwarrior01
5 hours ago
I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US?
5 hours ago
I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US?
Coinbase wanted me to do one before I did the second round of interviews and I'm in the US. Intelligence and personality tests. Wound up telling them that I didn't want to enable the type of discrimination they facilitate and that with the best faith reasoning for using them is at best a sign the company is indexing on the wrong things for hiring.
There are dozens - dozens! - of us outside the US.
I drew the opposite conclusion from your link: (Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits employment tests that are not a 'reasonable measure of job performance'). All an employer would need to say is "We've found that people who can't dots-in-box are bad at cody"
I just dug up the link (https://www.alvalabs.io/hiring-system/assessments/logic-test) to take another look, and sure enough, there's giant text saying "A strong predictor of job performance." Consider HR's arses covered!
They have the nerve to label it is a "logic" test. I bet I'd be the only one on their staff able to write out simple natural deduction proofs.
Not if they are dressed up in a particular way, and not if intelligence is genuinely relevant. I have done a few of these tests for jobs in the US before. They are just bad.
The 2000 census gave enumerator applicants a small multiple choice test that was similar to an IQ and then they hired foremen and line workers working down from the highest scores. I've never worked with as many smart people at a temp job!
Anecdotally, I've only seen them done in northern European companies, but every northern European company I've interviewed for had them. It seems to be a regional-ish thing.
apparently not
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NAL, but have worked in this. Griggs is a bit more complicated than that, and its progeny modify application anyway.
The TLDR is that arbitrary tests are permissible if there's no disparate impact. Tests with disparate impact are permissible iff they are not arbitrary (i.e., "directly" assess job responsibilities).
So, for example, Leetcode may have disparate impact, but it's "direct" enough to be permissible. On the other hand, most "AI Assessments" are actually so badly implemented that they're effectively random - and a coin flip won't have disparate impact.