Comment by Cthulhu_
8 days ago
I think people underestimate how many people move back to their home country once they have a better chance (through e.g. education or money) and / or when the situation there improves (e.g. stability). It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries.
This was a primary goal (if not states) of USAID and related programs. Stem the causes of immigration, support stability, and create goodwill for the donor country.
Still imperialistic and self serving in many ways, but it worked.
On the other hand, I've recently talked with a Polish to US immigrant who was moving back to Poland this summer as jobs and more had improved. They were competitive (in his mind) with the lack of opportunity and anti immigrant thinking across the US today.
The reason why pouring money into countries that source immigrants is a questionable solution is graft.
Yes, pouring money may not be a very efficient solution and graft can certainly happen. For me it's a combination of how much graft do we allow if we take the long perspective and see it shrinking over time (maybe we dont allow any, cold turkey)? And what are ways we can help change the environments that may not be directly tied to money? From my perspective, we often need (and graft) money the most when we don't trust ourselves and others to help us. So are there ways we can help build deeper relationships so money is not the only focus or way people think they can get help?
> It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries.
Well, I think I can help you out with that...
Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.
Perhaps. I think it's more about the passport ranking so one can travel and also the salary bump. But even if more of the other government services, try living in a country where if you get into a serious car accident you have to pay cash at the ER before they treat you. Scrambling to find multiple thousands of dollars in cash at 3am sometimes. (This happened to my friend in Kenya)
Im not sure if I can blame people for wanting to have more financial or medical security.
I think a very low percentage of migrants do it so that they can get a better passport for traveling. Sure, there are people who do that also.
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Is it legal to let people suffer or even die at the ER on Kenya if they don’t happen to carry a few k$?
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What country pays out benefits to non-residents?
The UK will pay state pension if you live abroad: https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad
.. which is a contribution based benefit. There's a lot of (deliberate) confusion between pensions and "welfare" benefits, which are generally not available to either immigrants who have not achieved nationality or to overseas nationals.
People should cite more specific examples if they want to claim otherwise.
Any country that pays out benefits to bank accounts instead of cash-in-hand. When was the last time you as a citizen were summoned to appear in front of a government official so that they could verify that you are in the country.
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And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.
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Why "correctly"? Who says that a country or a group of humans or even an individual human is beyond saving?
> Who says that a country or a group of humans or even an individual human is beyond saving?
The one doing the saving.
Surely the one needing help should not be the to decide. They will always say “I’m worth saving”.
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Less cynically, perhaps we correctly realize that some countries are beyond our saving by us throwing money at them.