← Back to context

Comment by dnautics

4 days ago

The US currently is at per capita GHG emissions approximately at the the same level as it was in 1910.

https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states

Despite not being in the paris treaty, the us needs only a 10-12% reduction to meet the paris accord requirements on schedule (43% decrease by 2030).

The Paris Agreement deals with total emissions. Unlike previous climate treaties, it doesn't specify a baseline year. If you use 2005, as the US was supposed to use, the 2030 target is ~3.5 billion tonnes. 2024 emissions were ~4.9 billion tonnes. If you use a 1990 baseline, as in earlier treaties, the US target becomes ~2.9 billion tonnes.

  • US population has been basically stable (+10% over the past 10 years), so per capita (in terms of the paris agreement timeframe) is a reasonable proxy.

Yes, but it was most recently at the same level between 1939 and 1940, according to that graph.

And total US GHG emissions are currently at about the same level as they were in 1988.

US consumers and businesses buy almost all their stuff from China. China's massive footprint of Coal should be added to US emissions.

  • Good point. But one factor is China is also greatly reducing their emissions. For instance, their pollution levels have plummeted after enacting strict controls:

    https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/china-has-quickly-and-sha...

    Still, that is a good point, a lot of the emissions from manufacturing have been shifted to other countries.

  • > US consumers and businesses buy almost all their stuff from China

    This is not really the case, China is the US' #3 trading partner, and trade-corrected GHGs are also down (see the graph further down the page), actually by an slightly better percentage off-peak.

  • China’s massive coal footprint is shrinking due to successful, intentional effort under the most recent five year plan, and coal’s presence in China’s power mix will likely continue to shrink, while China ramps up exports of clean energy technology to the rest of the world.

    • In absolute terms, china's coal footprint is increasing, and will continue to increase in the short term, as of early 2026, they were still opening new coal plants.

      3 replies →

  • Not just the US, a lot of developed countries have outsourced the problem to China (or other countries) to look good on paper, and tanked their local manufacturing as a by-product. It will be interesting how history records this moment.

  • The trend has China installing as much solar capacity as the rest of the world combined every single year within a reasonably small margin.