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Comment by Svoka

3 days ago

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A person is not responsible for the actions of their government. All governments wage war and cause suffering.

I have many close friends who are Russian by nationality. Russian by crime of accident of birth. So many of my friends in this situation abhor the actions of their government.

The Mentor stated it best. Phrack 7, 1986:

"We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals."

  • Author of the article did not say where he pays taxes and spends his money on goods, which are taxed too.

    Estimates are that 30 percent of taxes go to war in Russia.

    So if he is in Russia, and not left for some deep forest or like, he helps Russian War effort.

  • What a pile of horse shit.

    It is not “crime of birth” it is crime of choice of supporting war machine which invaded and occupied neighbour for hundreds of years; colonizing and exterminating peoples.

    It is not russian ELECTED government raping thousands and killing tens of thousands. It is not govenment which launched over 60 000 drones and missiles in Ukrainian cities last month. It is russians, it is tens of millions in russian military, trice that supporting the military and each paying taxes being complicit.

    They don't get to play victim while butchering people

    P.S. before you claim 'not fair election' a quick reminder thet russians voted for this government each time since inception of russian federation in 1991, with the very clear track record of invading neighbouring countries with land grabs

  • > A person is not responsible for the actions of their government. All governments wage war and cause suffering.

    That is true, but one of the reasons for imposing sanctions after diplomatic processes fail to get the government change their course of action, beyond just causing economic harm to the government, is specifically to apply pressure on population such that they don't want to support their government any more and vote them out, or where that isn't possible cause an insurrection.

    Whether it is right for another country to influence another country in that way is debatable, but as sanctions are only effective if basically every other country adheres to them, by that point it's clear that every other country disagrees with the target country under sanctions (or values their relationship with the countries that do more than the target), so perhaps it's not unreasonable.

    In any case, it's clear that partly from the Russian government restricting the flow of information inside Russia, but also from opinions that the population already had, there's still a lot of support within Russia for continuing the war. Perhaps, sanctions will help influence popular opinion against the war, perhaps not, but that is one of the main goals of sanctions. Just saying "oh, but they're just ordinary citizens, they're not responsible for government actions" misses the point of what sanctions are trying to achieve.

So does that mean my girlfriend is also to blame for the war just because she happened to be born in Russia? She’s against Putin herself, but there’s not much she can do about it because, as a trans woman, she’s persecuted by that shitty state simply for existing. If she protested, they’d kill her. Why should she now be barred from at least pursuing her hobby and submitting patches for software projects?

  • I understand that your girlfriend is a victim of same regime (and I am sorry for that, genuinely), but she may or may not be a part of it depending on circumstances.

    Make no mistake - this has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity, and everything with ones actions. Just answer me this - you say "She’s against Putin". What does it mean? Does she fight with other russian volunteers for Armed Forces of Ukraine? Does she sabotage logistics alongside partisans? Provide intelligence? Does she pay taxes in russia? Like, how is her 'being against Putin' is reflected on reality?

    P.S.You nickname says 'Random German', so you should know a thing or two about systemic complicity, clean Wehrmacht myth etc. I would love to hear your opinion on what is her role in it.

    • > Does she fight with other russian volunteers for Armed Forces of Ukraine? Does she sabotage logistics alongside partisans? Provide intelligence?

      Are you doing any of that? No? Than you may be a part of it based on your comment.

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