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Comment by hunglee2

3 days ago

One understated outcome of Trump 2.0 is waking up some sections of the European intelligentsia to the risk of dependency on the United States.

Trump 1.0 should've been enough, but instead European leaders were just too thankful for a Biden back-to-normal scenario that they basically took no action allowing the US to further extend its dominance.

Better late than never. Incidentally, trying to build EU tech independence should produce job making industries, so can become a populist move also

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gib444  3 days ago

> basically took no action allowing the US to further extend its dominance.

I love this. Do you think everything is in Europe's control? Do you know anything about the US has operated since WW2? Have you noticed the mismatch in economic and military might between the two regions?

And what about all the US military bases in Europe? Do you think it's simply a case of asking them to please leave within 1 year, thanks, goodbye.

They've had us in a headlock for a very very long time

  • tiahura  3 days ago

    It’s a mismatch we’ve been asking Europe to do something about for 30+ years. Instead, they decided to turn their countries into third world refugee camps.

  • hunglee2  3 days ago

    yeah true. Still, the primary problem was lack of consciousness about this state of affairs, especially at leadership level. One thing Trump 2.0 does take off the mask on this. It's a start

Braxton1980  3 days ago

Because Trump has 2.5 years left and they may be hoping a Democrat wins

  • usrnm  3 days ago

    Trump was elected. Twice. It was not a fluke, not a once in a lifetime event, he's a symptom of wider processes happening in the US. The world has changed and the old order is not coming back

    • captainbland  3 days ago

      Trump is one thing but the overall dynamic of similar politicians gaining footholds across the world is what worries me. If everyone is X nation first in the same way, you lose the ability to negotiate with compromises, people want to start expanding their borders and that just escalates into war.

      We're already seeing that in a few cases but it just stands to get worse if this carries on.

    • QuesnayJr  3 days ago

      Half the countries in Europe has their own Trump-equivalent politician heading one of the largest parties, and yet Europeans are imagining it's something happening "in the US" while they sleepwalk into disaster.

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  • graemep  3 days ago

    Does it matter who is president? The US was spying on European leaders before Trump's first term:

    "According to the investigation, which covered the period from 2012 to 2014, the NSA used Danish information cables to spy on senior officials in Sweden, Norway, France and Germany, including former German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and former German opposition leader Peer Steinbrück."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...