Comment by khalic

> I think that this is what OpenAI/Anthropic want but they wont say it publicly.

Won't say it publicly? Anthropic is openly and explicitly saying it publicly. Here: https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential

> AI companies that develop advanced AI models must have strong security standards that protect their model weights

If the model is open-weight then there's nothing to protect, so the only way to fulfill this requirement is to make open-weights illegal.

There's a few different levers they can pull, most of them economic & commerce. IEEPA and OFAC sanctions primarily.

They don't have to criminalize the act of downloading open weight models to effectively block access (to foreign open weight models, they have less levers to pull for US based models).

With sanctions and commerce rules though, they can unilaterally prevent all US based businesses from hosting & using them. They will need to be pulled off huggingface, github, gitlab, etc. ISPs could be put on the hook for folks torrenting them as well because technically that could be considered providing serivces to a sanctioned entity. There doesn't need to be monetary exchange.

Likewise, they can use export controls & sanctions to prohibit US companies and individuals from contributing to foreign open source projects as well.

If it went to court, the DOJ would argue that model weights are not speech because it is machine-readable parameters, and not used as a medium of human communication like source code.

Lastly, first amendment rights are unfortunately not absolute since the PATRIOT act. US Gov just has to declare a national security threat and all your rights go out the window.

I mean my state has been making it illegal to download 3d models of pieces that could be used to make guns in a 3d printer

It’s a very broad law and likely not legal, but it’s going to take a long time to be fought through the courts, and in the meanwhile people will probably be arrested for creating or sharing a file for something that may be able to become a gun part.

You’re correct that it shouldn’t be a thing but unfortunately American society is not in a good place right now

In the United States it’s illegal to sell Chinese EVs. It’s also illegal to download copyrighted music and movies. Which one do you suppose illegal open-weight models would more closely resemble?

I would so download a car.

Imagine that, people using VPNs to access data inside of China instead of the other way around.

Not if the US is banning capable models. It’s open source so you wouldn’t need to distill anything.

Yes, obviously. The US has no jurisdiction outside of the US (except for economic sanctions, which the US could in theory put sanctions on other countries that use models from sanctioned countries).

Oh, you think? The US have a habit of imposing sanctions on companies that don't respect their prohibitions- so for example they decided that companies cannot offer services to a certain EU citizen in the EU otherwise they'll be in a sea of troubles. In theory, imposing these so called "secondary sanctions" is against international law; in practice, the EU is so spineless that doesn't even dare to protest.

Well I do hope you're right - that's a brighter future for all