Comment by lazide
1 day ago
Eh, that’s the ‘if people do the right thing’ approach.
Many countries use census data to target (or even round up and murder) specific groups of people by religion, ethnicity, etc.
1 day ago
Eh, that’s the ‘if people do the right thing’ approach.
Many countries use census data to target (or even round up and murder) specific groups of people by religion, ethnicity, etc.
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement?
I think that actually the US is an outlier.
When Germany invaded the Netherlands they found it extremely convenient that the Netherlands had a nice centralised paper filing system telling them exactly where all the Jews lived. The Holocaust proceeded more efficiently in the Netherlands than it had in Germany.
That papertrail mattered less than how you make it sound.
France also sent people to the Germans during the occupation, and there was very little info needed. The gov wasn't caring much about due process or lengthy and accurate investigations anyway.
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Maybe an example that isn’t almost 100 years old ?
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Here is a case study from Greece in the ‘20’s, but all you need to do is google ‘ethnic cleansing’ and dig in, and you’ll see government data sources (including census data) all played a part.
[https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11208589]
“The census was conducted in a period of successive wars and rapid territorial expansion. We focus on the handling of the census data for Macedonia, a newly annexed territory that would soon become the site of the first instance of large-scale ethnic cleansing in modern Europe.”
In the original comment, you used the present tense. I think that's what was being questioned.
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really? bosnia 1990s, turkey early 1900s, pogroms all over europe in the 19th century, holodomor, china with tibet and uighurs, germany tabulating data on the jews with the help of ibm...
If someone says the holocaust happened, do you demand evidence of the claim? Because that’s exactly what you’ve done here
Can you give an example of an extermination program which was thwarted by a lack of accurate census data?
"The Nazis used a data source to implement an extermination program" is not a statement which proves that your problem was the existence of a data source.
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Ah yes, the old “bad guys did it 50+ years ago, therefore we shouldn’t collect data that will improve our country”
It’s no shock the standard of living continues to fall in what was once ostensibly the greatest country.
‘Gov’t consistently threatens to do x which is bad, does x which is bad. collecting data which makes it easier to do x is… good?’
Do you even listen to yourself? How would collecting that data in this environment actually improve the country, instead of clearly being used to do bad things - which will make the situation worse?
Notably, this is the gun registry problem, and exactly why gun registries are also bad.
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