Comment by angry_octet
1 day ago
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement?
I think that actually the US is an outlier.
1 day ago
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement?
I think that actually the US is an outlier.
When Germany invaded the Netherlands they found it extremely convenient that the Netherlands had a nice centralised paper filing system telling them exactly where all the Jews lived. The Holocaust proceeded more efficiently in the Netherlands than it had in Germany.
That papertrail mattered less than how you make it sound.
France also sent people to the Germans during the occupation, and there was very little info needed. The gov wasn't caring much about due process or lengthy and accurate investigations anyway.
These arguments are bizarre.
Is it easier and more convenient to round up people when you have a literal list of people, along with the attributes that someone might want to round them up based on? Of course.
Is it still possible to do it without said list? Yes, of course. It is just harder.
And more likely some or many will be missed, if those attributes aren’t super obvious and impossible to change.
So why make it easier?
Maybe an example that isn’t almost 100 years old ?
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Here is a case study from Greece in the ‘20’s, but all you need to do is google ‘ethnic cleansing’ and dig in, and you’ll see government data sources (including census data) all played a part.
[https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11208589]
“The census was conducted in a period of successive wars and rapid territorial expansion. We focus on the handling of the census data for Macedonia, a newly annexed territory that would soon become the site of the first instance of large-scale ethnic cleansing in modern Europe.”
In the original comment, you used the present tense. I think that's what was being questioned.
As I said, look around. China has been (and still is) doing it today with Uighurs. It’s not a new behavior.
really? bosnia 1990s, turkey early 1900s, pogroms all over europe in the 19th century, holodomor, china with tibet and uighurs, germany tabulating data on the jews with the help of ibm...
If someone says the holocaust happened, do you demand evidence of the claim? Because that’s exactly what you’ve done here
Can you give an example of an extermination program which was thwarted by a lack of accurate census data?
"The Nazis used a data source to implement an extermination program" is not a statement which proves that your problem was the existence of a data source.
The claim was not that the census is instrumental to e.g. ethnic cleansing, simply that the (micro?)data can be used that way.
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