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Comment by jvanderbot

12 hours ago

What would be accomplished by doing this vs placing them basically anywhere else on earth?

It is a comment on the absurdity of orbital data centers. Mountaintop data centers sound absurd, but are more feasible and efficient than orbital ones in nearly every aspect.

  • Cooling is not the crux of the real problem, it's the fact that we have no way to replace single failed units in a running space-based data center without another launch - and if youre stressing your total launch cadence with 'new' datacenters, at what % do you repair or replace the whole slab.

    The launch tempo, following the invention of a functioning approach to in-space single node replacement for even a modest portion of the planned workload capacity is something that strains credulity, even at the normal earth-level maintenance rate.

    Addressing the increased failure rates due to the hard rads and geomagnetic effects, while demanding that orbital systems remain above nm% load - that's n% of the hardware still operating - at 100% power and thermal, or 100% of hardware at m% of power and thermal, or the intersection of those two slopes at any given time - in order to meet shareholders profit expectations pushes that launch cadence and cost - to maintain the baseline of workload... and well, the math of that for even a minimal % of earthbound current deployed demand is just staggeringly many launches per year.

    Maybe i'm missing something, but bigger vehicles for putting larger payloads doesnt make it better, it makes it worse.

  • That's fine, if the argument for DC in space is just "Let's put them in the hardest place possible". Then less hard -> absurd, implies more harder -> more absurder.

    But space based dc accomplish something that mountaintop dc do not. The different list of benefits/tradeoffs are why space DC are proposed and mountaintop ones are not. It's a difference of kind, not degree. It's not a meaningful experiment to just try to build DC in hard places and then we can finally validate space.

    Stated benefits in particular:

    - Power available 24/7 for "free"

    - coms w/o interruption using existing infra

    - Rideshare (SPX can build out capacity while other lifts pay some of the bill for lift)

    - Nonregulation

    - Very low latency to "places of interest far from USA mountains"

    And no, I do not believe that mountaintop automatically satisfies these benefits in a smooth way such that mountaintop is a meaningful stepping stone towards space.

    • > - Power available 24/7 for "free"

      The Sun is visible from Earth as well, the last time I checked.

      In LEO you don't get power 24/7 because you are only 500km above the Earth. Yes the Sun is more attenuated on Earth but what we care about is $/W not raw wattage, and Earth certainly has cheaper $/W than space.

      > - coms w/o interruption using existing infra

      I'm perplexed how comms might be easier in space than on Earth where you can just run a cable.

      > - Rideshare (SPX can build out capacity while other lifts pay some of the bill for lift)

      On Earth you don't need to rideshare because you don't have to ride a rocket.

      > - Nonregulation

      Space is more regulated than Earth. The only way to get to space is via a rocket which is the same as an ICBM. Governments regulate the process of building ICBMs and what payloads can ride on them.

      If you want non-regulation then go to international waters or find a bribable government.

      > - Very low latency to "places of interest far from USA mountains"

      The latency is not terrible in LEO but it's nowhere near as good as on Earth.

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