Comment by milesvp
16 days ago
If you think your data isn’t being hoovered up I’d like to point out that every model is possible due to federal crimes committed to obtain the information they were trained on. Regardless of how much you are paying, your data is worth another petty civil infraction.
A million times this. There is “private” as a corporate-legality licensing perspective. There is “private” as a human concept. The two are seemingly opposite, yet as all the money is focused on the former there’s no airtime left for the latter.
Then I'm interested if there are any facts as to what ZDR actually means?
It can still mean Zero Data Retention - i just comes down to whether you trust the company to actually do what they promise.
The fact that they've trained models on data that wasn't theirs does not make me trust them a lot when they make this claim.
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Copyright violation is not per se a crime. I think a colorable defense of fair use, even if it would fail in a civil trial, would negate the mens rea element. I can't easily find caselaw or articles regarding this, though, as most criminal copyright cases involve straightforward reproduction and distribution schemes. Maybe that's because prosecutors won't press cases that might raise a question of fair use?
But I agree with your larger point. AI companies have copied Uber's aggressive posture, pushing the legal envelope with expectations of positive return. Surely they'll continue doing the same in other areas.
The curiosity is that these companies somehow got around crimes and are above law (1) and these crimes mean something in a limited jurisdiction, like copyright laws of USA/Canada are not world’s (2). So it’s all cyberpunk at this point.