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Comment by villish

5 hours ago

Both China and the US can compel businesses to hand over data. There is no reason to trust any service that doesn't have strong built in privacy.

Compel? I am confused, all data in China is held in datacentres which the state has full access to, that is the terms of their operation and why some big tech US companies didn't want to operate in China. They don't need to "compel" anyone, the CCP has people at every large company supervising employees, and they already have full access to your data.

I am always completely baffled by these comments that not only get basic facts wrong but appear unable to conceive of a situation where the everything is subordinate to the state.

There is no negotiation, there is no due process, you give access to everything before you start or you can't operate.

  • What would be the practical difference between an order from a party cadre in a private firm and a national security letter?

    • A legitimate legal system with judges who have no obligation to anyone or anything besides the constitution first, and laws second.

It’s not China that is threatening to annex Greenland though.

  • There's nothing wrong with the US buying greenland, which has been done for territories around the world?

    The US has a long history of protecting individual freedoms, China does not. There's an irony that you're aware of the misgivings of the US because we have free speech protections. You're probably less aware of the misgivings of the EU because they regularly arrest citizens for speech, and no awareness of the issues with China because they'll just disappear journalists in the night.

Yes, but China can't arrest me if they don't like what they see in my data.

USA and its vassals can.