Comment by ignoramous
21 hours ago
> Note the big cut in token prices from China.
After the recent 75%+ price cuts by DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo (and now, MiniMax), I pretty much packed my Claude bag up and moved over. I see no discernable difference (other than chattiness of its thinking modes) in capabilities for the kind of coding & debugging work I do.
and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.
> and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.
They don't need to. They can undermine the West economically and politically.
The US has been a much more violent imperial power but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action.
You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism.
US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.
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Taiwan? South China Sea?
Comparatively tiny issues compared to US actions in the past several decades.
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Republic of China is not China, lol
On that front I think you’re badly mistaken. China’s government publicly states that it doesn’t see our idea of society and government as a good idea. They are a rivalling system, with very different values.
The US is many things, but it’s still way more aligned with European, Canadian, Australian etc goals than China ever will be.
I just got finished setting up an environment with MiMo-Pro-2.5-UltraSpeed, Qwen-3.7-Max (basically used this to sub in for Opus), and of course DeepSeek.
Then GLM came out and that just means everything got even better.
You need to look up loss leader strategy and dumping in international trade because that is what china is doing. And your use of their models over api is giving them training data.
They will flip to being just as bad or worse if they beat America.
But America isn’t deserving trust at this point.
The only viable option now is local AI. Our industry needs to figure out how to decentralize training data, infrastructure, inference and analysis.
Most the Chinese models are open source. You can buy some hardware and go run them yourself, if you really are concerned about "dumping" and "loss leaders".
But you do see that supports my argument right? For every one of Us that stops paying monthly subscription or api costs to OpenAI/anthropic/google the smaller their market gets. Taken to enough scale and they won’t reach profitability.
So while I am running local models I am aware of the geopolitical implications
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I made the same switch. Impressed with the sheer value of Deepseek v4 Pro and Minimax M3 so far. I mostly work on an open source academic simulation tool, so I’m happy to be a source of training data.