Comment by naturalmovement
17 hours ago
So it's a proxy.
Do you think you can re-stream cable TV or Netflix to your own paying customers at a cheaper price?
17 hours ago
So it's a proxy.
Do you think you can re-stream cable TV or Netflix to your own paying customers at a cheaper price?
If it's streaming an uncopyrightable product, absolutely. This isn't even a gray area.
I'm curious why you think you cannot re-stream a public domain stream.
You're playing word games to justify something which is clearly ethically wrong.
You can't re-stream free over-the-air network TV.
That one company with the datacenter full of TV tuners tried and was sued out of existence.
If I understand your argument it's ethically ok to destill huge swathes of copyrighted work into a model without compensation, but then it is ethically wrong to use that model without compensation (well actually reduced pricing)?
I don't get the moral framework that you're applying. Could you elaborate?
Over the air TV also isn’t public domain. It’s licensed to a station for broadcast. The output of an LLM has been deemed ineligible for copyright. Until you square that pickle your circle isn’t circling.
Free over-the-air network TV is (generally) copyrighted.
The output of LLMs cannot be copyrighted. This isn't a semantic game; it's literally the case that Anthropic cannot seek relief for people duplicating the output of an LLM.
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Why is the ethical line specifically on model distillation for you?
Was it ethical for Anthropic/OpenAI to train their models by gobbling a treasure trove of copyrighted material?
Using a bunch of nonsensical/irrelevant analogies to somehow make a point seems worse than these “word games”? What does streaming copyrighted content have to do with LLM outputs (which are public domain)?
> clearly ethically wrong
Ethics are subjective. That’s why we have courts judge based on the law and not ethics