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Comment by ventana

16 hours ago

I actually started re-reading Crime and Punishment right after writing my previous comment, because I barely remember anything after many years. These are the second and the third paragraphs, and reading this text now, in my forties, I perfectly understand everything that's written, and the emotions the protagonist feels, because I know by my very own experience what it is to pay rent, to be in debt, and to have no money. But as a teenager? No freaking idea.

  He had successfully avoided meeting his landlady on the staircase.
  His garret was under the roof of a high, five-storied house and
  was more like a cupboard than a room. The landlady who provided
  him with garret, dinners, and attendance, lived on the floor below,
  and every time he went out he was obliged to pass her kitchen,
  the door of which invariably stood open. And each time he passed,
  the young man had a sick, frightened feeling, which made him scowl
  and feel ashamed. He was hopelessly in debt to his landlady, and
  was afraid of meeting her.
  
  This was not because he was cowardly and abject, quite the contrary;
  but for some time past he had been in an overstrained irritable
  condition, verging on hypochondria. He had become so completely
  absorbed in himself, and isolated from his fellows that he dreaded
  meeting, not only his landlady, but anyone at all. He was crushed
  by poverty, but the anxieties of his position had of late ceased
  to weigh upon him. He had given up attending to matters of practical
  importance; he had lost all desire to do so. Nothing that any landlady
  could do had a real terror for him. But to be stopped on the stairs,
  to be forced to listen to her trivial, irrelevant gossip, to pestering
  demands for payment, threats and complaints, and to rack his brains
  for excuses, to prevaricate, to lie—no, rather than that, he would
  creep down the stairs like a cat and slip out unseen.

But as for the chemistry, biology, math, or anything else, I don't see any reason why a teenager won't be able to understand that.

It's called empathy, we don't have to experience exactly the same thing as other people to be able to understand them. The author himself never experienced the things he's writing about. Do teenagers lack empathy? Of course, but this is education, after all

  • He probably did not experience that specific situation, but his life before writing “Crime and Punishment” was pretty rough, including prison time and exile in Siberia. Not sure how he would've reacted if he was told that his works will be obligatory reading for 15 years old kids.

  • I don't think you can educate kids about certain types of emotional matters and certain types of empathy, at any age. Their brains just have not developed to the point where it's possible or useful.

    "Empathy" doesn't really fully cover it, though. Yes, someone of any age can emphasize with someone in a tough situation, but actually having experienced something similar, or have seen others in similar situations, or just having lived longer and been exposed to the world at large... all of that changes how a passage like the GP quoted hits. Most children are not going to be able to really feel that passage. But I'd say most worldly adults would be able to, even if they hadn't lived with crushing debt.

    • I mean, most of us will probably never actually experience having murdered someone.

      Yet we still can enjoy the though process of such a person through the book. I don't see why "paying rent" is any more difficult to experience through reading than "murdering" - if anything the general era/geography/social differences are much more significant than these (I live in an ex-Soviet country and read it as a teenager, twice - it had such a profound effect on me. Even still seeing the Russian reality of the time was harder for me (but still easier than I believe it would be for a US teen), than all the intricate internal monologues).

Try to read 10000 random numbers, one by one. Ary you able to understand them? Yes. Do you want to read them? I don't think you do. Now imagine it's pushed to you at age of 16 and called "math". You'll hate it for a good part of your future life.

Teens might know what it's like to owe money to a friend, not be able to pay, and be embarrassed every time they see their friends