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Comment by thunderbird120

11 hours ago

>median is higher in Germnay

I cannot think of any standard by which this is true, certainly not by nominal or PPP income for either personal or household income.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income

[2]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...

Table on page 10: https://www.boeckler.de/data/downloads/IMK/FMM%20Konferenz%2...

Not looking at households or disposable income here but at hourly wages.

  • I see. That paper is looking a median income from a PPP perspective but without accounting for taxes and transfers, which is a tiny bit unorthodox in this exact context which tries to get into the weeds slightly more than just standard PPP adjusted GDP per-capita or something like that. It's valid statistically, but typically if you're trying to adjust for cost of living it makes a lot of sense to use the amount of actual income the individuals have left over after paying taxes and receiving transfers from social programs. Otherwise you'll have a number which accounts for differences in prices but not differences in the proportion of "income" which is actually retained by the earner. This is what that wikipedia article I linked is reporting. Comparing two different countries with very different tax/social program policies with PPP adjustments but without tax/transfer adjustments is less than ideal.

    It's not wrong, it's just not very useful. It's typically a more intermediary statistic rather than a final one when doing this type of comparison.

    • Yes, comparisons are difficult between countries. With respect to unions and wages, not sure hourly wages are that bad a starting point - but happy to look at research there on differential impact. Adjusting for taxes and social programs also can create issues in terms of accounting for things accruing from those for the future (pay as you go pensions come to mind).

    • You'd similarly factor in comparable medical insurance/ avg. out of pocket medical expenses, taxes etc. for a median income earner the other side then, right? At median income, does that really tilt the scales much when all is said and done?

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