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Comment by mortarion

3 months ago

Örebropartiet is not a extremist far-right party. All their policies is extreme far-left except immigration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

This sounds very much far right and not left at all to me

> Markus Allard takes inspiration from marxist ideology[32] and unites the "productive" classes of society against the "Transferiat", with the "Transferiat" being a term coined by Allard to describe the classes of society that lives off of transfers that are a net negative for society such as those who, despite having an ability to work, live off of social welfare benefits, as well as those who work "made-up services"[33] that the party deems serve no societal function, such as bureaucrats, consultants, public sector communications specialists, strategists and HR-specialists.

It's practically a copy and paste of the ideology behind "doge".

  • Sounds like a branch of the Technocracy movement which Musks grandfather helped found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

    "The technocracy movement proposed replacing partisan politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy"

    • Whoa whoa whoa. I don't think it's at all fair trying to throw Technocracy under the bus. The guilt by association doesn't look great! But Technocracy was interesting. It had some hopes & values, and it wanted people thinking and working materially, scientifically, having a perception of the world better than just money. It had some real neat idea. Wild & absurd? Yes that too. But I don't enjoy the casual drive by shoot down!

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  • This is just a rephrasing of the lumpenproletariat, coupled with the professional-managerial class. You could also refer to the latter as a modern version of the lumpenbourgeoisie (although this term is applied rather broadly). It sounds more like pro-labor, pro-work, anti-lumpen Marxism. In no way “right-wing” unless you want to call North Korea “right-wing”, which is a very ultra-left thing to do (what orthodox Marxists call left deviationism).

  • This is actually very far left, just not the current wealthy-urban-lgbtq far left. USSR marxists and Maoists held the same views, where the individual's main function was to work and refusal to work or low productivity required either reformation (aka often, Gulag) or hunger.

    "Those how do not work, do not eat" - Mao

    Interestingly, psychoanalysis in the USSR was aimed at helping the patient to go back to work, for instance.

    • That's not a quote from Mao, it's from the second epistle to the Thessalonians, attributed to Paul and Timothy.

      > For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat.

      > 2 Thessalonians 3:10

  • Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies.

    Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right. As written on Wikipedia, "left-conservative" is probably the best label.

    The Swedish far-left loves to, for instance, brand the governing party in Denmark as far-right, but they are actually also left-conservative.

    It is possible (shocker) to be liberal and progressive, whilst also being pro-assimilation, pro-deportation, anti-immigration.

    • > Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies.

      Yes, but the behavior in that quote, cutting social services, is none of the above. Using language associated with far left movements while promoting far right policies leaves you as a far right party.

      > Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right

      Literally nothing in the quote I quoted is about immigration (though they hit that checkbox as well and it absolutely does swing you to the right).

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    • I find it amusing that westerners are only now discovering that left wing politicians can be not just authoritarian but socially conservative as hell.

      USSR notably banned abortions for 20 years under Stalin, and homosexual intercourse for most of its existence.

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    • In the U.S., before Trump was elected, immigration control and deportating illegal immigrants were things that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ("left" politicians) campaigned on.

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  • There are many flavors of national socialism, in reality nazis should be called hitlerians because of this.

  • >they're pro-ethnical cleansing of people already living there

    source?

    • From the wikipedia article linked above...

      > In 2026 ÖP party leader Markus Allard sparked controversy on several occasions. In a debate hosted by Studio3 with Liberal member of parliament Martin Melin, Allard asked: "why won't the Liberals push for deporting 100 000 social welfare-Somalis?" and in the same debate said that "Sweden belongs to the Swedes. We have to make sure that we take care of our own damn people and we must deport these damn parasites who sit and live at our expense."

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