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Comment by tasuki

10 days ago

What is your definition of AGI that the current LLMs don't fit?

Autonomously Generating Income (which is why it will never be released to the general public)

  • Hopefully it stands for AC Generation Improvements. If it prioritizes income it will bleed the planet dry. It needs to solve how expensive our cost is on the planet first or its entire existence was a mistake.

As the old saying goes, I’ll know it when I see it. The current 5.x generation isn’t it.

You’d have to really stretch the definition of AGI to make the current models fit

  • The definition has already been stretched to not fit the previous models. There is no meaningful, static definition that significantly predates current capabilities.

    There's a reason why ai xrisk doomers had to come up with the term ASI.

    I would seriously suggest that everyone take a look at the wikipedia page for AGI from the month before ChatGPT was released, compare it to the current version, and not come to that conclusion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_genera...

    • The first sentence is “understand or learn any intellectual task that a human can.” Whatever you think of the benefits of LLMs, they don’t understand and they can only learn during the training period and with very minor adjustments in post training. So, no I don’t think any of these models are generally intelligent.

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    • From that same page:

      Various criteria for intelligence have been proposed (most famously the Turing test) but to date, there is no definition that satisfies everyone

AGI should be able to do every job a human can do using a computer at least as well as the average human.

  • That's already been true for a while, you're overestimating the average human. They just have different failure modes.

    • It isn't even close to true. The biggest problem is that humans performance improves over time.

      https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/announcing-aa-briefcase-bench...

      AA-Briefcase is a new benchmark for testing models on realistic knowledge work tasks in complex projects built by industry experts. Models are evaluated on multi-week knowledge work projects, each with many linked tasks and thousands of input source files. AA-Briefcase combines rubric and pairwise grading to evaluate verifiable task success, analytical quality, and presentation quality, giving a holistic view of overall agentic capability in knowledge work.

      Tasks with many messy input files, conflicting information, and complex deliverables remain difficult for all models. Under a strict all-or-nothing grading scheme per task, Claude Fable 5 leads overall, but achieves a perfect task score on only 3% of tasks. On 31 of 91 tasks, no model scores above 50%.

  • And what is it worse at than an average human today that can be done on a computer?

    • https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/announcing-aa-briefcase-bench...

      AA-Briefcase is a new benchmark for testing models on realistic knowledge work tasks in complex projects built by industry experts. Models are evaluated on multi-week knowledge work projects, each with many linked tasks and thousands of input source files. AA-Briefcase combines rubric and pairwise grading to evaluate verifiable task success, analytical quality, and presentation quality, giving a holistic view of overall agentic capability in knowledge work.

      Tasks with many messy input files, conflicting information, and complex deliverables remain difficult for all models. Under a strict all-or-nothing grading scheme per task, Claude Fable 5 leads overall, but achieves a perfect task score on only 3% of tasks. On 31 of 91 tasks, no model scores above 50%.

Continual Learning? Why is this even a question? Isn’t it a well-known glaring issue with the current models? They cannot learn/adapt to new skills (in any permanent sense) once they are deployed.