That's more ageism than anything else. I mean surely real "programmers" know the new hotness "ghsfgusdfu", right? How could you live without?
I know companies running on SVN and they're fine. In fact, it's a better fit for them. Yes, Git is not always superior.
I'll give you a helpful concept to navigate these issues: "Cargo culting refers to the practice of imitating the superficial aspects of a process or practice without understanding the underlying logic or reasons behind it. This phenomenon is often seen in software development, where developers may adopt certain coding styles or methodologies without grasping their true purpose."
Git is over 20 years old at this point. If somebody is in their 60s now, they were in their 40s when it came out. This is not about age. They must have slept on it for a long time.
Nobody expects an engineer to be a git expert, but if a senior software engineer has heard of git only yesterday or don't have a vague concept of how DVCSs like hg or git work (DAG of commits), then something has gone very wrong.
Maybe there are use cases where SVN is superior (I can't come up with any but they may exist), and maybe engineers in that industry really are so specialized that they never get around to working on anything else!
But maybe it's because nobody else is willing to hire them.
If you are not in an environment where it is being actively used it is not something you'll pick up. Not every programmer is on HN or being cool with blogs etc. I agree not knowing about source control at all is a .. different matter. Also, 20 years is less impressive once you subtract the time it wasn't popular. Even if it was 20 years, it is still not impressive. Perhaps if you are 15-30, but to older folks it's like a drop in the bucket.
Many people are not familiar with "git" and don't have to be. Picking up "git" is a one afternoon type of thing but the parent did not mention timelines. It was just about "knowing" git and I pushed back on that.
There are so, so many tools you guys on here find indispensable that don't actually get used by vast swaths of people in the field. I sometimes wonder where all you guys work.
It's possible to always work for big tech companies and never use some popular tools like git. Not a good thing either, but it doesn't mean they're wannabe programmers, cause I've seen those too.
When I went to college (early 2010s) professors were still encouraging students to use SVN, so I probably have a fair number of peers who didn't learn git until they got out into the real world
Was the encouragement to use SVN to the detriment of git, or was it to the detriment of renaming the file multiple times, from final to final (1).zip to final-no-really-this-is-it.zip?
It was more that IT considered the college-hosted git instance "experimental" still, in multiple project courses we were required to use college hosted version control as part of the class, but those who wanted to use git were on their own to figure it out.
That's more ageism than anything else. I mean surely real "programmers" know the new hotness "ghsfgusdfu", right? How could you live without?
I know companies running on SVN and they're fine. In fact, it's a better fit for them. Yes, Git is not always superior.
I'll give you a helpful concept to navigate these issues: "Cargo culting refers to the practice of imitating the superficial aspects of a process or practice without understanding the underlying logic or reasons behind it. This phenomenon is often seen in software development, where developers may adopt certain coding styles or methodologies without grasping their true purpose."
Git is over 20 years old at this point. If somebody is in their 60s now, they were in their 40s when it came out. This is not about age. They must have slept on it for a long time.
Nobody expects an engineer to be a git expert, but if a senior software engineer has heard of git only yesterday or don't have a vague concept of how DVCSs like hg or git work (DAG of commits), then something has gone very wrong.
Maybe there are use cases where SVN is superior (I can't come up with any but they may exist), and maybe engineers in that industry really are so specialized that they never get around to working on anything else!
But maybe it's because nobody else is willing to hire them.
If you are not in an environment where it is being actively used it is not something you'll pick up. Not every programmer is on HN or being cool with blogs etc. I agree not knowing about source control at all is a .. different matter. Also, 20 years is less impressive once you subtract the time it wasn't popular. Even if it was 20 years, it is still not impressive. Perhaps if you are 15-30, but to older folks it's like a drop in the bucket.
Many people are not familiar with "git" and don't have to be. Picking up "git" is a one afternoon type of thing but the parent did not mention timelines. It was just about "knowing" git and I pushed back on that.
There are so, so many tools you guys on here find indispensable that don't actually get used by vast swaths of people in the field. I sometimes wonder where all you guys work.
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It's possible to always work for big tech companies and never use some popular tools like git. Not a good thing either, but it doesn't mean they're wannabe programmers, cause I've seen those too.
Honestly, I suspect you'd find a lot of self-taught people have random gaps in their knowledge that someone with a mentor/degree won't.
I had a linguist attend a CS class and he didn't know how to copy and paste.
When I went to college (early 2010s) professors were still encouraging students to use SVN, so I probably have a fair number of peers who didn't learn git until they got out into the real world
Was the encouragement to use SVN to the detriment of git, or was it to the detriment of renaming the file multiple times, from final to final (1).zip to final-no-really-this-is-it.zip?
It was more that IT considered the college-hosted git instance "experimental" still, in multiple project courses we were required to use college hosted version control as part of the class, but those who wanted to use git were on their own to figure it out.
Had experience with programmers not knowing VCS in general.