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Comment by 71bw

9 hours ago

The lawsuits, sadly, won't matter. "Security" (or, rather, totalitarian control!) is more important than the 1% of nerds who care enough to tinker with their phone.

People keep framing these sorts of debates in terms of tinkering.

It's about ownership, not tinkering. It's about preventing megacorporations from having the last word about how government services can function and how people can interact with them.

It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.

  • >150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe

    1/3 of the population functionally illiterate in Europe seems beyond wild to me.

    Are you talking about technical illiteracy? security illiteracy?

    Or do you mean they can't read english, which is a very different thing.

    • "functionally illiterate" means that while you can read your native language, you will not correctly understand what you have just read.

      Rates seem to vary state by state, from as low as 8% (denmark) to 43% (romania).

      It's also not a clearly defined target, since it would be better to have rates based on the reading comprehension of the average school at year X or something similar.

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    • Dunno what the OP meant, but in the UK

      https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/16247/Public-Health...

      > Guidance tells us the average reading age in the North East is lower than the national average at between 9 to 11 years. To put that into context The Guardian Newspaper has a reading age of 14 and the Sun Newspaper has a reading age of 8.

      Health literacy specifically is a major problem in healthcare

      https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-lite...

      > 1 in 4 (26.7% / 931,000 people) adults in Scotland experience challenges due to their lack of literacy skills.

      I find that page somewhat ironic as they claim 18% is one in six, but 17.4% is one in five. Seems numeracy is as big a challenge.

      The US is no better according to wikipedia

      > In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above

      > Adults scoring below Level 1 can comprehend simple sentences and short paragraphs with minimal structure but will struggle with multi-step instructions or complex sentences

      > Adults scoring at Level 3 or above are considered "proficient at working with information and ideas in texts

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

  • 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe? Just how is that defined?

    • Why are you surprised? Europe has 700 million people. Think of the average construction worker you know, do you think they could read and correctly summarize any moderately complex article? Think an article about inflation or evolution or heat pumps or investment funds, etc.

      Fairly sure that in most countries the average person reads less than 1 book per year, so half of the population reads less than that. I know people who haven't read a book since highschool, when they were forced to.

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    • Especially as it's claimed to be only 50 Million in the US hahahahahaha

      Whoever believes those statistics I have a strait to sell to

First, GrapheneOS supports remote attestation. So if they want their security, they can have it. Second, the current focus of the EU on sovereignty is a window of opportunity and there are better opportunities to fight this than two years ago.