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Comment by palmotea

4 hours ago

> Would you also say that "someone who wants to use an IDE / LSP features to code and not give credit to the IDE / LSP is the worst kind of person"?

That's a false equivalency.

> If not, what is the difference between the two for you?

Let's start this out right: if they're equivalent, first you explain to us why you think so.

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zahlman  4 hours ago

> That's a false equivalency.

How is it false?

> Let's start this out right: if they're equivalent, first you explain to us why you think so.

I think it should be really obvious how they're equivalent: both are the result of a program running on a computer, and not the result of in-the-moment cognition by a moral agent or moral patient. Of course the LLM is just a tool. Models can literally be downloaded as ordinary files. There is not some threshold to cross where some configurations of bits on a disk deserve "credit" for work and others do not.

  • palmotea  4 hours ago

    > I think it should be really obvious how they're equivalent: both are the result of a program running on a computer...

    In fact it's really obvious everything is equivalent: it's all just matter and energy!

    > Of course the LLM is just a tool. Models can literally be downloaded as ordinary files. There is not some threshold to cross where some configurations of bits on a disk deserve "credit" for work and others do not.

    Of course there is such a threshold. And it's definitely been crossed when the "tool" can operate autonomously or nearly so, when it can generate the "creation" with minimal operator input or understanding.

    Your classic IDE can't do anything without the detailed control of its operator. It's nothing like a coding agent.

axutio  4 hours ago

I just don't agree that it's a false equivalency. I see them both as "tools I use to get the job done". For me, the job is not "writing code" - it is "deliver feature", "fix bug", and the accountability, responsibility, and communication that comes with it.

  • palmotea  4 hours ago

    > I just don't agree that it's a false equivalency. I see them both as "tools I use to get the job done". For me, the job is not "writing code" - it is "deliver feature", "fix bug", and the accountability, responsibility, and communication that comes with it.

    Hello, Tom Smykowski. You have people skills!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo