Comment by estearum
1 day ago
If you think the US has an "abysmal" track record on this, what words would you use to describe China's track record?
1 day ago
If you think the US has an "abysmal" track record on this, what words would you use to describe China's track record?
"Abysmal", but that's beside the point.
Suppose a US citizen, residing and working in the US and never traveling to China, crosses The Powers That Be. Which Power is more likely to do worse things to said citizen? Pretty unlikely they'll be rendered to one of the illegal Chinese jails in Brooklyn, more likely they'll be sent to Gitmo or a black site.
That's actually not beside the point as it relates to GP's comment.
This. For a typical citizen, your own government is a far bigger threat than a foreign one.
That's why, all other things equal, I try to keep my own government happy or ignorant, but don't really mind what I share with foreign governments, especially ones who won't forward the info to my own government.
Both are abysmal, but as a US citizen bad behavior from Chinese corporations and government is vastly more limited in how negatively it can impact my life in a practical way than bad behavior from US corporations and government.
also abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time
Yeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.
It's far from the top shelf, and even then I can totally still compare. I would say the very concept of privacy (at least when it comes to digital presence) does not exist in China. There are no expectations of privacy and if you need it you have to circumvent the rules.
This is worse don't get me wrong. But doesn't take away anything from the fact that the case here is indeed abysmal.
Surprises me that on Hacker News of all places, where people are tech-literate and educated, people still seem to trust our companies and governments as if they didn't have an established track record of spying and screwing us over.
It’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.
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But really, where is the difference in data misuse from the US and China? Because the US has been "friends" in the past?
"abysmal" probably.
depends if you look through China citizen point of view or someone in the west