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Comment by pphysch

5 days ago

Manosphere content is toxic and harmful but the hyperviolence and desensitisation of the former should not be downplayed. That's where the mass shooters evidently come from.

A hundred thousand furries consuming unfathomable amounts of porn without shooting up anyone kind of cast doubt about that point.

  • And 99 out of hundred get tired of porn at some point. We all have watched it and moved on. If only one can shoot and move on.

  • Who is talking about furries? But Tyler James Robinson and Benjamin Jeffrey Smith. I guess that's only 2/100k to your point?

> That's where the mass shooters evidently come from.

Bollocks. European teenagers watch just as much porn and play GTA at age 10 and yet we don't end up having 12 children a day die from gun violence [1].

Note, I'm not an anti-gun nut, I think German and British anti-gun laws are ridiculously strict. But the American way of dealing with guns is equally bad.

[1] https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/resources/gun-violence-fact...

  • > we don't end up having 12 children a day die from gun violence

    Note that this definition of "children" includes ages up 24 years old. Not that the US doesn't have a gun violence problem, but pretending 24 year olds are "children" in order to gain a better sound bite doesn't help anybody.

    • If you look at the actual statistics there are 1300 annual homicides killing children which amounts to 3.5 children + teenagers a day.

      Then there are gun suicides which I would not count as gun violence, amounting to another 3.5 children + teenagers a day.

> That's where the mass shooters evidently come from.

I mean, quite a few have come from proto-manosphere circles, too. Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

  • Given how large it is, I don't think it's a high stat. Especially compared with other subcultures. And we don't blame feminism for every instance where a man is killed by a man hating woman.

    • > And we don't blame feminism for every instance where a man is killed by a man hating woman.

      The fact that this is basically unheard of, while incels shooting up schools is somewhat common, may explain why blame is often thrown at one movement and not the other.

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  • I wouldn't equate incel with manosphere. Manosphere is often hypersexual and about greed/consumption and being insecure and getting scammed, whereas inceldom is more hate-based.