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Comment by dgellow

1 day ago

> chat Control 1.0 is a battle that was already lost

That’s not true, the previous instance of it expired, and the parliament rejected it. It wasn’t already lost, it was actually a win for people against the proposal

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inigyou  1 day ago

I can't actually think of a good reason that the law should prohibit a company from having the option to automatically scan private messages for CSAM. Can you?

Certain implementations may fall afoul of data protection laws however.

  • AngryData  1 day ago

    Because they shouldn't be scanning private messages indiscriminately no matter for what. Lets rephrase it and look at it from "private companies will scan their users private messages for evidence of crimes and report people to police." Where is the limit here? I think it is naive to assume this will stop at csam and will soon be used as a judicial bludgen to extort random citizens for petty crimes that in any other case nobody would ever care or know about.

    • inigyou  1 day ago

      Has this happened before?

      The NSA wiretaps all phone calls - do they extort random citizens for petty crimes that in any other case nobody would ever know or care about?

      Microsoft has your browsing history - we know this because of the recently unsealed court case. Do they do it?

      Facebook already ignores this law and scans the content of all private messages anyway. Are they doing what you predicted?

      I don't think even the actual Stasi was stopping people at random for petty crimes, right?

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    • inigyou  1 day ago

      It says they may do that. It doesn't say they have to - we all know which messengers are the secure ones.

    • StanislavPetrov  1 day ago

      >extort random citizens for petty crimes that in any other case nobody would ever care or know about.

      With the massive, byzantine web of local, state and federal laws everyone is violating numerous laws and regulations all the time. The goal here isn't to arrest everyone all the time for petty crimes and regulatory violations, it is to give the ability to the powers-that-be to select anyone engaging any frowned-upon behavior and pull up a list of legal violations that can be used to silence and/or imprison them. Activists, protesters, political opponents, people who are against whatever latest war the government chooses to engage in or speaking up against "chat control" or whatever the latest Orwellian government seizure of power is will be the ones who are targeted. The end game, which we are rapidly approaching with the elimination of privacy and individual autonomy, is totalitarianism.