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Comment by latentsea

14 hours ago

> The system we got for this is called parenting

And it fails miserably.

Not really. Yes most kids will see porn before they're 18 but it doesn't damage them or give them the wrong idea about consensual behaviour.

If anything I find GenZ a lot more focused on explicit consent than GenX.

>And it fails miserably.

No it doesn't. That's just needlessly reductionist doomerist take with no argumentation to back that up.

Define failure and success of the system in this context.

It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where the parents gave up the parenting of their kids and entrusted that to educational institutions instead.

  • I genuinely think it’s all three:

    1. The cultural factor is rising expectations for children and their parents, costing both time and money;

    2. The political/social factor is nanny states and academic institutions that the public expects to not only teach but raise their kids;

    3. Technology. Especially the Internet, mobile devices, social media, and short form content. Technology distracts and isolates both kids and parents.

    An example of the three factors at work is the all-too-common local news trope of ”Nosy neighbor calls CPS because the family next door lets their kids walk to school. Whole family traumatized as a result.”

  • >It's been working for tens of thousands of years.

    I mean, I'll gladly send you 10k years back and have you tell me how it goes.

  • It both works and fails, like many other things. But if you hold the goal that it must never fail in sufficiently high esteem, you invariably end up with a system like the one we have now.

    • If the goal of a system is to never fail, then the bureaucrats in charge of running that system will just game the metrics and cover up all the issue, while it fails first very slowly then very suddenly.

      In fact that's why nothing ever gets done to improve things in the EU/west, because we expect perfect outcome in every new change and we want potential risks to be zero before something new is implemented, so it's easier for leaders to just never do anything, never change anything, just sit and maintain the status quo while we go through managed decline complaining things keep slowly getting worse.

Do you realize you'll end up in fascist dystopia where your children belong to the state, with this line of thinking?

Or is that where you want other people to end up while you peddle propagandist fairytales about failed parenting?