Comment by zactato
3 hours ago
I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it)
Why give them money?
It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.
People give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.
Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that.
So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.
Grok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-valu...
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Yeah mate I'm sure mecha hitler is very unbiased. Funny take. if calling yourself mecha hitler while being willing to create csam js "neutral" to you, you have a frankly terrifying hallucinated worldview wrt politics, lol
You probably have it backwards. It's Grok that is shoving right wing ideology down your throat. Research has shown that without specific guidance to otherwise, LLM's tend to be slightly left leaning by default. There are some theories as for why this is so.
Yes. We only need one AI company. Max two. Good idea. Deciding who is more moral has a great history.
Grok has a serious credibility problem due to Elon’s decisions and personal insanity.
Will it ever recover? Maybe. But it’s got an uphill battle even compared to the Chinese models, and that’s saying something.
Wait until you find out who owns the other models
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We have three major foundational models not including Grok.
When the defense for a company is basically “yeah they host csam in the platform but is that really worse than the others” you’ve really lost the plot
We could just not have AI models that generate CSAM I don't think that's too much to ask
Plenty of competitive open weight models
xAI's (unused) dedicated compute is being sold for Anthropic's inference.
xAI isn't a frontier company, and their fate is already being decided by the two hegemons.
> Yes. We only need one AI company. Max two. Good idea.
Nothing in the original comment suggested that fewer AI companies was inherently a good thing - just that this _particular_ AI company is a bad one.
> Deciding who is more moral has a great history.
I think you're being sarcastic, but, uhhh...are you honestly advocating for the converse, of making no judgements based on morals?
Competition is good, but this company and its owner have not demonstrated anything to indicate that they would make for good competition, neither economically nor morally.
Also, yes, a company whose products produce CSAM is just morally bad. There's no nuance to be had there.
I used to question myself strongly about using Grok or any product with questionable morals. Then I realized that:
1. I just bought a house, using a bunch of SWE-salary money.
2. I moved into SF several years ago, probably contributing to the gentrification
3. Thousands of children in China had no financial means for education, yet I did nothing
So I used Grok, donated quite a lot of money at the annoyance of my family to an NGO in China, and decided not to donate to SF non-profits due to me still having a mortgage and I am still kinda selfish.
The message I want to spread is that we should take a practical stance to morals and doing good. I like Grok for many things; it is morally good to boycott it, and in my opinion there are many other morally good things we can also do while staying practical
I think the moralities of all the big heads in AI are questionable. The training corpus is largely stolen, and they are all in inescapable debt but keep going. But at this point, their products are so useful that almost nobody is willing to sit back and wait for a "morally acceptable" LLM to come around (which would inevitably be inferior).
I can't comment on CSAM though - if X.ai really is "okay" with it then I'll agree with you that they're more immoral than the others.