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Comment by petcat

2 days ago

I don't want to hear about the EU's "strong digital privacy" laws and protections ever again.

Multiple things can be true at the same time.

There can exist strong consumer protections against misuse of their personal data by various entities.

And there can simultaneously also exist governmental overreach against citizens private data.

The world is complex, few things are truly binary.

  • But now you have governmental overreach and legalized spying on European Citizens by (mostly) US Companies, so i would say that Law is truly binary bad.

    Also how the Law was forced is extremely bad.

    But hey it's once more proof that the EU is not a democratically spirited institution.

    • Europe or EU has never looked at data protection against private companies and data protection against government as one and the same. Remember, that even GDPR has carveout for governmental use.

      The americans did, but US isn't EU.

    • Except it isn't "now" it was a thing since covid.

      And it's not overreach it's kinda more of a loose exception to the GDPR which actually allows companies to read messages. Which they would already do without GDPR

  • There can be, but this isn't it. In the EU, a company can't send you an email, but it can read your email.

  • In this case, the phrase “consumer protections” is almost insulting when the things it’s supposedly protecting us from are a triviality compared to the horror show being introduced.

  • There will surely be some people who applaud your post for pointing this out. But the vast majority of people don't see "government spies on me" vs "private industry spies on me" as a meaningful distinction and there are MANY MANY recent examples of this: the discourse around Flock, the discourse around ICE using personal information to trace dissenters, the discourse around DOGE and Palantir.

    But I suppose the OP said all that needs to be said, and so this spot was left empty for whatever nonsense comment dared to fill the void, and you won.

    • I see a significant distinction between these two things. And I see chat control as a significant intrusion in my personal life.

      Laws and democracy is a constant fight, no democracy was complete and perfect the day it was announced.

      We lost a battle now. And unlike people like you who only resort to insults I am not willing to give up just because of this setback. I will continue to fight for these rights.

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  • No, "strong digital privacy" and "governmental overreach against citizens private data" is mutually exclusive.

    • They're strong protections relative to most other jurisdictions, where there is no need to pass laws exceptionally allowing certain uses of private data, since such uses were never forbidden and sometimes are mandatory beyond what Chat Control 2.0 would mandate.

Do you think people should have privacy from the government? That exists in a completely different realm than privacy against a private company.