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Comment by lavela

9 hours ago

I'd love to hear why they chose a VC funded forge over e.g. Codeberg.

Doesn't really fit the 'friendly language' claim IMO

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nasso_dev  6 hours ago

"being on tangled" really just means "publishing sh.tangled.* atproto records"

the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app available at tangled.org. you merely publish your git repository using a protocol that this app will pick up and present with a nice UI

any other app that speaks atproto and looks at those same sh.tangled.* records will be able to access everything in the same way

and even the git repository itself doesn't need to be hosted by tangled the company, you can host your repository yourself. all you need is a server that can speak git, ssh, http and websocket

  • isodev  5 hours ago

    > the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app

    This is false: you’re tied to both tangled (unless you want to self host a forge, which if you did you wouldn’t have picked tabgled) and Bluesky for your login to keep working (unless you want to self host a complex constellation of social media components).

    • nasso_dev  5 hours ago

      > you’re tied to both tangled (unless you want to self host a forge, which if you did you wouldn’t have picked tabgled)

      this is true today only because nobody has made an alternative "frontend". but the data is there, public, for anybody to see. they can't take it from you even if they really wanted to. in fact, tangled has been working on making it easier for such third-party "frontends" to exist: https://blog.tangled.org/bobbin/

      > and Bluesky for your login to keep working

      you seem to be misinformed. "your login" is handled by your PDS, whichever it is. self-hosting a PDS doesn't require you to host anything beyond a sqlite database and a websocket connection. they are easy and very cheap to host, nothing like a "complex constellation of social media components"

      today you can already 100% use atproto apps without having any ties whatsoever to bluesky:

      - data: non-bluesky-hosted pds (either your own or some other host) for your data

      - identity: the did:plc directory is managed by an independent swiss association, but you can even use did:web if you really want to

      - relays/apps: blacksky is an example of a fully independent stack

    • blackqueeriroh  5 hours ago

      Weird, I host exactly one thing (my PDS) and I am not at all tied to Bluesky for my login to keep working. Everything else is already publicly hosted by MANY others.

lpil  6 hours ago

While the way that Tangled is funded is not my preference, I see great potential in atproto for improving the internet. This and and a lot of interest in the Gleam community for the protocol made me decide it was a good place to host a mirror of the Gleam repository.

jdiff  9 hours ago

They're still on GitHub. This isn't any sort of official transition. It's just now also on this other ATProto-based forge.

  • lavela  8 hours ago

    So I assume you know that tangled being ATProto-based was the reason for going there?

    And please explain how it's not a choice when they are still on GitHub.

    • jdiff  5 hours ago

      No, Tangled's ATProto relationship and its social features are just the only differentiating factors.

      They mirrored their repo somewhere else. An additional location does not make it less friendly.

shimman  6 hours ago

We all know why... as a condition of some monetary support. It does give a sour taste, really shows what core values are: money > community. I'll just focus on using elixir for a project instead.

  • lpil  6 hours ago

    I wish! Alas, the Gleam project continues to be under-funded and we have not got a single penny from any venture capital company.

    If anyone would like to give me a large amount of money in exchange for my publishing a mirror on your git forge, please get in touch ;)