Comment by sashank_1509
21 hours ago
Surgeons too now? Another avenue for human skill destroyed.
I actually want to exit. I want to live in a society where humans flourish not AI.
Actually one just needs to walk the streets of Japan and compare that to US. Tokyo has hundreds of small shops with humans doing specific niche stuff, perfecting their arts. That’s all so beautiful.
America has massive warehouses and supermarkets, with completely uninterested and bored out of their mind humans working and I suppose now we will replace them with robots. Great I guess. Maybe all Americans should just sit at home and consume Netflix and Doritos ig.
I want technology to increase human flourishing, not turn us into WallE humans. I am only interested in technological progress when it is done by humans who trained their whole lives for it, as it is a display of human excellence and that can be a beautiful thing. I’m not interested in it if some AI builds it.
Then, you know, build that world locally, at least for yourself.
Like, I'm building a cabin in the woods (original, I know), but you can build things and do things. You can be that kind of human if you want. But, if Americans could sit at home and consume netflix and doritos I suppose some would, but many would decide to start doing other things too.
I don't think the worlds we want to live in are that far apart to be honest. If I could make a living doing it, I'd try to build wooden sailboats for a living. That would be awesome. I would love it! In a world where I don't have to work to win capitalism tokens, I would probably spend a few years just building wooden sailboats to sail around the bay by my cabin.
What you write is what's profoundly depressing.
The only way you see people flourishing is through coercion, by society or by the world. You'd explicitly rather prolong this codependency for your aesthetic preferences even, as per your own words. We're already just circus monkeys in your world.
You cannot fathom people pursuing self-improvement because e.g. developing or being capable is inherently enjoyable. You only see a world where such activities are a must, or a manufactured must. That's your measuring stick and that's the entire pie for you.
I mean this in the least combative way possible, but it sounds like you have things to sort out on your end first, before charting a course for the world to follow.
Yes, not everyone will agree with me. Maybe some people just want to consume AI abundance forever and live on UBI, like Altman’s wet dream.
But there will be some group of people, the people who wanted to be skilled tailors, skilled wood workers and apply them towards others before industrialization ruined them and of course the best mathematicians, the best programmers, before AI revolution will ruin them. We want no part of this technology, and maybe in some distant future we can organize and live separately from the consumerist dystopian hellscape that the world around us turns into.
I’m not charting a course for the world to follow, but I suspect every OpenAI employee or Sam Altman have no desire to live their entire life on UBI doing nothing of any importance. This for them is their pursuit of greatness, only in the result they’re destroying it for large swaths of humanity that live around them. I don’t want any part of it, I refuse to be a WallE human managed by AI Sam’s company designs to be put in a state of perpetual limbo somewhere.
> Maybe some people just want to consume AI abundance forever and live on UBI, like Altman’s wet dream.
Callousness like this is not exactly the hallmark of clear minded reasoning, which is your responsibility, I hope you haven't forgotten. Like no, there are more options than the two convenient strawmans you crafted. Kind of what my whole comment's been about.
Maybe it doesn't matter though, we seem to have already lost you to some neo-Amish fantasy. Except this is not even me being callous in response, you quite literally spelled it out. You'd quite literally take your current gripes and extend them indefinitely, forever shaking your fist at the sky, arrogantly refusing to even attempt to adapt to the (already present) world, all while being dependent on being tolerated in your historical reenactment. Apparently this makes sense to you, just like all the other vile ideas you pitched.
There truly are no stronger limitations than one's own mind.