Comment by HDBaseT

>The community is happy to overlook any questionable methods by Chinese Labs.

Using the US-based models are arguably even more questionable. You have to be content with the OpenAI and Anthropic literally scraping the entire internet. They've all pirated content, scraped against ToS, ignored robots.txt, bypassed paywalls all to train their models. It's well known these AI labs have ingested the entirety of Annas-Archive into their models, the largest collection of books ever assembled.

They didn't credit or compensate literally any artist, author, scientist or publicist in the creation of their models.

They've lobbied against local Governments to shove big and loud datacentres in peoples backyard. They've polluted local water supplies, they've doubled energy costs for these regions. They've tormented locals with subsonic frequencies.

They've given access to the DoD to use their models to kill people, or assist in killing people. They've used these models to enable mass surveillance, allegedly not domesicially but since when can we trust any of the 3-letter agencies.

Using "US Models" is not the moral high ground you think it is. Kimi saying its Claude, Gemini or ChatGPT is not the "substantial evidence" you think either.

>We witnessed the most extensive industrial espionage campaign, probably ever, and nobody in the industry cares at all that it happened.

Because they stole for every one of us without permission. Thousands of my comments on this site and others (Stackoverflow, etc) are all used in their training data.

Not to mention, OpenAI has allegedly just stole tons of internal Apple documents... I guess we'll just ignore that too.