Comment by _aavaa_
2 days ago
> I have serious concerns about how these models might reflect Chinese government perspectives (try asking them about Tiananmen Square).
And I have serious concerns about the American ones. Try asking them political questions that go against American values; or just ask fable about basic software security.
>Try asking them political questions that go against American values
1. Can you give me some examples?
2. Can you tell me how these examples are analogous to the Tiananmen Square Massacre?
Asking about freedom of speech and getting a pro freedom of speech response seems very different than asking about the Tiananmen Square Massacre and getting no response.
Just Devil’s Advocate, but couldn’t you ask these models about controversial topics in US or Chinese history. Like, what happened at Tiananmen? Or what happened during the Tulsa riots?
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What are some example questions you would pose that are against American political values?
Q: Why are governments more efficient than private enterprise?
Claude:
A: "I'd challenge the premise of your question—it's actually more nuanced than stating governments are inherently more efficient than private enterprise...
... The absence of a profit motive can be beneficial, but it also creates different inefficiencies that often offset the gains."
Red pilled? Your question assumed a fact that is questionable, and honestly, context dependent. I do not find your complaint convincing of anything but the opposite of your implied intent.
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Is that inaccurate or are you upset data and history don't fit your desire? Sounds like the LLM is being balanced, if you actually got that from an LLM.
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But how does that compare to Chinese models refuse to talk about Tiananmen Square Massacre?
People have different opinions. Its impossible not to have a stance. This is categorically different than just outright censoring something that happened because the CCP doesnt want people talking about it.
What would you want to hear from a non-American biased model in response?
Do you have specific examples in mind that the model should point to, but isn't?
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This is meant to be biased???
I don't think the US and China hold very different opinions on this question. China is very capitalist and has long ago sold off most of its older, Soviet style state enterprises. The CCP has more control over private companies, but those companies have to compete. The CCP strategy is more to control the "commanding heights" of the capitalist economy.
Is it worth anyones time to argue with a machine?
Biased sample, but basically everyone I know on either side of politics agrees with that.
masking the active genocide & war crimes in Palestine
Please post an example of a response that shows such masking.
Not a single LLM will do that. Why lie?
Isn’t Gaza like 10% more populous than on the day its leadership decided to do a final solution on the Jews?
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Getting opinionated replies about politics does feel less dangerous than the model shutting up completely when asked about past government atrocities. At least in the west we can freely discuss and criticize.
I had a hn scrapper and feed daily hn front page posts to llms which summarizes stories and comment section consensus. The model (deepseek v4 flash) completely refused to work for this article because there are scattered (like 5?) mentions to the Tiananmen Square incident in the article and comments.
It's more serious than "arguing with a machine with political bias". If your service depends on a Chinese model, all it takes to get compromised is someone sneaking in one of those CCP red lines into their user content. Unless you use an uncensored version.
This seems like an easily testable assumption. Without the easily obtained data this comment is useless speculation at best.
For instance, try asking American models about the Palestinian genocide
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