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Comment by riskd

7 days ago

It’s perfectly fine for the “West” to influence the world though, right? Or is it only a problem because… they’re Chinese?

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hetman  7 days ago

Why would it be a problem that they're Chinese? It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime. The West, by contrast, doesn't have a singular arbiter of truth, it has a plurality of perspectives (as much as certain interest groups would really rather that was not the case). It's not perfect, but those of us who have memories of living under authoritarian regimes can tell you there's no comparison.

  • podgorniy  7 days ago

    > It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime

    Hey, have you seeing what trump does with your (presumably) country? Maybe wars? Maybe market manipulation? Mayde pedo right covering on the government level? Maybe bubbles and threats to EU? What an ignorance. You live with old stories, not the current state of the world...

    • burnerRhodov3  6 days ago

      This is absolutely nothing compared to what China did to the Uyghurs, or China cutting citizens off of the financial system (WeChat) due to posting political content... If you were in China, you would be blacklisted for posting a similiar comment on wechat. If you openly called the CCP a group of pedo's you'd regret it within 24 hours.

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    • hetman  5 days ago

      So you're telling me Trump has direct control over the topics and conclusions allowed into AI models built by Western companies? I don't think your off topic whataboutism has really helped dispel any ignorance in the world.

  • inigyou  7 days ago

    If being ruled by an authoritarian regime is the problem, then wouldn't both Chinese and American models be problematic?

    European models too, if they had any.

    • hetman  5 days ago

      I don't think you'll understand what authoritarian means until you try moving to China and then criticising their government. For those of us who have lived under authoritarian regimes, it's an absolute travesty to see how diluted the meaning of this term has become.

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  • mynameisbilly  7 days ago

    The United States has propped up some pretty horrific, murderous, bloodthirsty regimes over the past century to ensure they maintain a proxy presence across the globe. If supporting or engaging in an "authoritarian" regime is your litmus test, then the United States fails resoundingly.

    • burnerRhodov3  6 days ago

      The unfortunate concequence of "rebellion", is sometimes those regimes go on to be just as bad as the previous regime. You're playing captain hiehnsight here... intent matters in these things.

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    • hetman  5 days ago

      Guess what you can do in the US and can't do in China? Talk about their respective atrocities. You've missed the point entirely as it pertains to AI if you thought my litmus test was about having the most moral government. It was about that government's ability to censor information.

  • BoredomIsFun  7 days ago

    West has though a history of supporting regimes far more hideous than Chinese, and ready to push narrative whenever possible. It is well known idea BTW in political thought that democracies are far more reliant on propaganda for control than authoritarian,which due to their strong grip on political discourse do not need high quality propaganda anyway.

    TLDR: American propaganda is not any better than Chinese, neither have the best interests of my country in their minds.

youre-wrong3  7 days ago

Have you got examples of GPT/Claude/Grok influencing people?