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Comment by ofjcihen

5 hours ago

I did explicitly answer your question, yes.

This is how all of these sites work. You would not get 500k for every exploit obviously. You would get that (or more) for great exploits.

I’m noticing you haven’t addressed anything I mentioned at all. Is that just acceptance that it’s the truth or are you just having a bad day?

Edit: Actually, let me add that for a 0click exploit on mobile devices that leads to root level permissions you’re very likely sitting on millions of dollars.

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tptacek  5 hours ago

This is 2 years old, but goes deep into the details of how the "0 click" market works, roughly what kind of money you'd be sitting on, and what it takes to actually get that money:

https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/06/24/mdowd/

It sounds like you're telling me you believe you might get six figures for a "great" WordPress core RCE. I believe that's false, and I believe that for reasons that probably indicate our premises are much too far apart to hash this out here.

I have open contempt for online price list "brokers" like Zerodium. I do not have contempt for other commenters here. I think it's important that you understand the distinction before coming at me the way you've been in this thread. Disagreeing with me, rebutting or refuting me, sharply or ungenerously: totally fine. Your weird psychoanalysis of me: not fine.

  • ofjcihen  4 hours ago

    Absolutely not.

    > Did you get mid-high 5 figures for a serverside vulnerability? I hear the Russians are paying $300k for Postfix! But the UAE might pay $400k through Crowdfense. These numbers are definitely real. How could they not be? They're right there on a web page.<

    > Oh, you've done business with them then? Know someone who has?<

    You’re replies have been snide and rude and you trying to pivot and say “you were merely talking about the brokers” is further showing you don’t care and feel entitled to continue.

    Other users are calling you out on this behavior here and on other threads as well to the point that the comment you made starting this has stayed flagged.

    Deflecting from someone calling out this consistent behavior is frankly ridiculous in the face of the receipts, especially trying to villainize the people calling you out for it.

    Also, not even the main point anymore, but you’ve intentionally mischaracterized every argument others have put forwards including in your most recent response. I was extremely explicit about what kind of exploit commands a high price and you’ve chosen to again twist the argument to your desired conclusion:

    > It sounds like you're telling me you believe you might get six figures for a "great" WordPress core RCE<

    My “psychoanalysis” was an attempt at giving you grace but you seem intent on proving that talking down to others and then trying to sidestep justified criticism are default behaviors that you’re entitled to.