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Comment by jkahrs595

6 days ago

Let me rephrase, it doesn’t actively oppose Linux like Fortnite does. Roblox absolutely can run on Linux, even though it’s not officially supported.

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ChocolateGod  5 days ago

Fortnite doesn't actively oppose Linux, compared to Roblox cheating which keeps a lot of logic on the server, cheating on Fortnite on the client has a more bigger impact.

Unfortunately there's no way to properly ship a kernel level anti-cheat on Linux right now and none of the mainstream distros ship with any kind of attestation or OS verification out the box like Android does.

SteamOS could change it here though, we'll see. I don't have much hope given the thing doesn't even use Secure Boot by default.

  • dannersy  5 days ago

    Kernel level anti-cheat seems to be ultimately ineffective. I've seen this with my own eyes with backend data when I worked for a company with a moderately successful shooter. Kernel level anti-cheat is serving a similar function to something like EAC these days, which basically just keeps the lazy people out. With any decently sufficient backend data analysis, you catch these folks just as easy.

    I am of the belief that if you cannot completely control the environment, like a user's physical hardware, you're fighting a losing battle. Forcing them to install spyware is, in my opinion, just marketing for your competitive shooter and too invasive for the perceived gain.

    • ChocolateGod  5 days ago

      > With any decently sufficient backend data analysis, you catch these folks just as easy.

      No you can't. Using server side analysis of behaviour will always get false positives, especially as ML networks are getting better and better at reproducing normal player behaviour.

      Your server side logic can't detect wall hacks, ESPs etc.

      > which basically just keeps the lazy people out

      That's better than nothing. Cheating will always be possible (see DMA devices), but as long as you make it reasonably hard to put most people off it, that's a success.

      > cannot completely control the environment

      But applications should be able to attest the environment is not modified, which is what desktop Linux lacks. Windows, macOS and Android do have methods to do this.

      > like a user's physical hardware, you're fighting a losing battle

      The alternative is no releases on PC.

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    • not_a9  5 days ago

      EAC is a kernel mode anti-cheat on Windows, though?

      And given the whining on UC it seems to be fairly effective.

thenewnewguy  6 days ago

Doesn't roblox use an anticheat that prevents the game client from running on linux? I thought nowadays the way to "run roblox on linux" involved using an android emulator.

cyberrock  5 days ago

Native Roblox has blocked Linux for 3 years, and games on it (especially PvP ones) can and do require Android remote attestation which Sober doesn't implement. It wouldn't surprise me if Graphene can't play those games as well.

Roblox is a platform. Fortnite is still primarily one game.