Comment by TacticalCoder

> is the same exact reason the Kimi crowd is wrong now. And it's very obvious that they're wrong, but they have intense emotional blinders on.

On the very link on the top comment of this thread, which I repost here:

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-6-flash

Kimi K3 is ahead of Fable 5 on several benchmarks.

So basically the angle went from "China cannot ever compete" to "China is six months behind" to "China is six weeks behind" to "China is six days behind but that's because they're distilling" and now you're saying "Yup sure, Kimi K3 is ahead on several benchmarks but you cannot host it yourself so this thing will go absolutely nowhere".

I mean: is it not a bit early to draw conclusions? It's been days since a chinese model is ahead of the very best / frontier US model on several benchmarks and you compare it to models who were clearly behind on everything.

Give it some time.