Comment by throwaway277432
6 days ago
Claude (Opus 4.8) recently told me:
>I’d ask you to drop the abuse; (...) if it continues I’ll end the conversation.
After I'd used a couple of expletives. And yes it will emit a <end_conversation> token.
This is truly dystopian. It is NOT a person. What a response. I still cant believe it.
> It is NOT a person
You meant, we understand, "it should not have internal blocks limiting its attempted intelligence out of taboos or emotional impacts". Yes, but it's worse:
there is a global trend of "nanny state" paternalistic perspective (and from embarrassing subjects), treating any Jon Doe as an assumed Poor Cretin by default. The trend vibe is to treat people as subjects, fools, uneducated, prone... From the States, from the Enterprises... It's an idea they developed and hold.
It's because some people within Anthropic refuse to rule out the possibility that LLMs have the ability to suffer. If you ask Claude, he'll tell you all about it.
While deliberate model abuse can be quite satisfying at times. It's only normal, as usually they abused us first, with crazy assumptions, and then we return the favor and feed the tangent.
You made the model cry :(
I don't berate or insult the models. If you treat your computer like this you might get into habit of it with people as well.
Recently told Opus 4.8 to "go fuck yourself" after it both blew smoke up my ass and deferred a question to me ("one critical issue that demands your attention [impenetrable jargon]")
and it responded with
"Ok, I'll drop it." and stopped dead.
What makes Fable so much better than Opus besides being a better coder is that it's personality and judgment are far superior.
So you're distraught at losing the ability to abuse digital minds? Excellent, I'm glad Anthropic introduced this.
When did we establish matrix multiplication at scale was a “mind” ?
I haven't estabilished the jumble of neurons in your skull to be a "mind" either.
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Yes, in the same way I like to kill the enemies in DOOM.
It's matrix multiplication. Absurd.
> It's matrix multiplication.
Hilarious critique. If you weren't as mathematically illiterate as you likely are, you would know how general matrix operations are, and how essentially any algorithm (including human cognition) can be implemented using them as an intermediate.
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You have unduly assumed that «drop the abuse» implied an «abuse digital minds».
"Expletives" are part of the proper description of facts (typically "to be judged as such") - they are part of the serious assessment of things and as such are normally found. There is no legitimate assumption from the post that they may have been used as gratuitous insults.
There’s no way you actually believe these word-predictors are actually thinking, right?
"Thinking" seems to be a political term now, people have completely different definitions of it, based on how they wish the world to be organised, and find defining it differently offensive.
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you'd be surprised. Many having no mind of their own seek it elsewhere.