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Comment by barbazoo

5 days ago

I find such beauty in the fact that the robbers are getting robbed but it's all part of progress overall. It's not that China won't come up with what the US are coming up with. Just a matter of when it would happen.

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Imustaskforhelp  5 days ago

I am sure that some other country (Mistral from France, India, Canada etc.) would have even more chances to innovate perhaps.

and because Chinese models are open-weights, the distillations effects of them could be easier done as well ;)

In my opinion, its a win-win plus even within worst case scenario*, I already believe that the current open weights models are in general speaking good enough perhaps for my and other use cases as well and I feel like we will probably most likely get more open-weights model for a long time in general as well perhaps.

  • Onavo  5 days ago

    The other countries don't have cheap capital, cheap infra, or scale. The talent is not the bottleneck. Look at how many SV companies are helmed by Indian executives. If the Europeans cared an iota about AI progress, Huggingface wouldn't have been headquartered in NYC.

ericmay  5 days ago

Yep. We'll steal China's IP as well so all of this really is just no big deal. Everyone is a robber in some way.

Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.

> It's not that China won't come up with what the US are coming up with. Just a matter of when it would happen.

I agree. All this discussion about China releasing open weight models is amusing. It's like ok they release open weight models.... and so what? If they leapfrog ahead of the US then we'll just undercut them with our own open weight models.

  • echaozh  4 days ago

    > Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.

    Because they're not? But the American government and Anthropic don't want American models to be used by the Chinese. Anthropic is notorious for its effort to tell if the user is within China.

    • ngl999  4 days ago

      China is taking the moral high ground when Anthropic bans users from China. But if Anthropic didn't do it, the GFW would have surely banned Anthropic because Claude will say lots of things that do not agree with the official narrative.

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  • yunnpp  4 days ago

    > Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.

    Because the models are behind a gate and the data goes overseas. The same is not true for open weight models. One should avoid the former and prefer the latter simply based on principle, not on country of origin.