Comment by ericmay
5 days ago
Yep. We'll steal China's IP as well so all of this really is just no big deal. Everyone is a robber in some way.
Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.
> It's not that China won't come up with what the US are coming up with. Just a matter of when it would happen.
I agree. All this discussion about China releasing open weight models is amusing. It's like ok they release open weight models.... and so what? If they leapfrog ahead of the US then we'll just undercut them with our own open weight models.
> Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.
Because they're not? But the American government and Anthropic don't want American models to be used by the Chinese. Anthropic is notorious for its effort to tell if the user is within China.
China is taking the moral high ground when Anthropic bans users from China. But if Anthropic didn't do it, the GFW would have surely banned Anthropic because Claude will say lots of things that do not agree with the official narrative.
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> Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.
Because the models are behind a gate and the data goes overseas. The same is not true for open weight models. One should avoid the former and prefer the latter simply based on principle, not on country of origin.
If you ask in Chinese, Claude Opus tells you it's Qwen.
Does this imply that Claude Opus was trained on Qwen output?
Yes. This is called a distillation attack.
genuine question, what IP does america presently steal from China?
AI models. If you ask Claude Opus in Chinese which model it is, sometimes it says Qwen.
That's just conjecture though surely. Like not saying you're wrong but the same thing would result from crawling and using results from Chinese Web for training along with everything else. If the most prevalent model people are posting responses from online in Chinese is qwen then of course that would happen. There's no evidence to say either way really.
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All models are trained on outputs from all other frontier models at training time.
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If it’s a question for me I’m not sure. I guess I’d like to ask what prompted this question?
I read 'we' (present tense) rather than 'we'll' (future tense). So, nevermind!