Comment by yogthos
4 days ago
The outcome is obviously going to be that most coders leave Codeberg because LLMs are not going anywhere, and they will continue to be integrating into people's workflows. But perhaps Codeberg intends on becoming something akin to a digital Amish community, and there's nothing wrong with that.
"Not going anywhere" is such a strange argument. Tomato juice isn't going anywhere, does it mean I'm going to be guzzling it at some point in my life? What?
If you've made your choice about LLMs based on morals or ethics rather than the quality of the tooling, you're not going to change that choice because the models haven't disappeared or have improved, unless you're forced to (but that forced bit applies only to commercial open source which really just isn't on Codeberg at all in the first place).
It has been long enough that just about everyone has made that choice by now. Those who are okay with this won't magically flip and start using LLMs and grow a reason to leave.
Every moral or ethical argument ultimately boils down to problems inherent in how any piece of automation is used under capitalism, and has little to do with technology itself. If you spend a bit of time thinking about morals or ethics you'll quickly realize that LLMs are not the problem.
And no, a year is absolutely not long enough for everyone to have made a choice about this tooling. Claiming any sorts of absolutes about completely new technology that's rapidly evolving is absolutely delusional.
You're not wrong regarding your first paragraph. However, capitalism is not going anywhere ;) as such, moral objections to the use of tooling in this system amount to objections to the tools themselves. I don't see "people might use AI more if we dismantle and rebuild the entire world order" as a particularly realistic scenario, sad as that is.
And in any other case I would agree with your second paragraph as well! But AI is very, excessively loud. Even if you never wanted to -- especially if you never wanted to -- you were already overexposed to it ages ago (when it was at its worst, really, but that's probably beside the point). You would have made your choices then: use now, never use, or use later if it improves. I'll grant the technicality that "everyone" is hyperbole of course, but when you have grandmas and children both talking about the thing, yeah no. You'd be hard pressed to find someone without a stance. And someone remotely interested in Codeberg not having one? Come on now.
The current adoption of LLMs by developers seems to be a bit more than 20%.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/10/06/about-1-i...
This is just for professional jobs (and is 9 months old) of course.
That's an incredible rate of adoption given that this stuff has only been really usable for the past year or so.
It sure is! But I guess it would be less fun to say "1 out of 5 developers will not be using Codeberg going forward". Especially since that may well be an intended effect of Codeberg's decision here.
As long as AI is a source of environmental damage, cognitive harm, and a cause of rising hardware costs, there will always be a sizeable set of developers who want nothing to do with it. The headline should be "AI Divides".
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