Comment by ethin
10 hours ago
Might get downvoted but was thinking this exact thing when reading this debate. Rustations have this very bad habit (IMO) of pushing the "my language is better than yours" to an extreme that I haven't seen elsewhere (but I don't frequent a huge number of language circles so...). Yet when it is done to them they get all upset about it.
> Rustations have this very bad habit (IMO) of pushing the "my language is better than yours" to an extreme
It’s funny, I’ve heard people claim this about rust developers for years. But I’ve seen very little evidence of it. Where are all these toxic comments? Look at Klabnik’s comments in this thread. He’s lovely.
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A son comes home to his poverty stricken family with a spring in his step. “Mum! Dad! All that time at community college paid off! I got a job!”. Dad immediately snaps - “so what, now you have a job, you think you’re better than us?”
What happened? Dad is unconsciously projecting a belief onto his son. Something like “unemployed people are shameful”. Then dad feels judged by the projected belief and he attacks the son for it. But it wasn’t the son’s belief in the first place. He just wanted his parents to be proud.
How does the son respond? It’s a tricky one. If the son defends himself by talking up how great it is to have a job, he reinforces the projection and dad will get more angry. If he says “there’s nothing to be proud of for having a job” then he’s lying about his values. It’s a trap.
When I’m feeling uncharitable, I project this same dynamic onto rust and C/C++ devs. “Mom! Dad! I figured out a way to get memory safety without sacrificing native execution and performance!” C: “So you think your language is better than ours? Why are you so toxic about it?”
I’m not really sure how to respond to comments like yours. I think you’re mad at ghosts.
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Neither of those links involves Klabnik.
And the second one (about swatting a linux dev) says "Others think someone from the Rust (programming language, not video game) development community was responsible due to how critical René has been of that project, but those claims are entirely unsubstantiated."
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Also wild to complain about botting when I've seen half a dozen accounts that didn't exist an hour ago all pop up to criticize Klabnik.
It's funny because my comment was intended the other way, i.e. the Zig community & core team is antagonistic towards Rust so they shouldn't be surprised when they get pushback, like in this thread. But it really does go both ways when you look at how the Rust community has acted historically.
But hey, nerd holy wars have existed since the internet began. I use vim btw...oh you use emacs? You're an idiot. Etc etc.