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Comment by sam_lowry_

10 hours ago

Can you provide your view of the events, then?

Note that I know nothing about the topic but the article, but the article says:

> [W]e believe a secret-ballot election conducted by the National Labor Relations Board is the appropriate path forward.

Honestly, that was the point where I stopped reading and hid this story.

They used a non-secret election! Fuck them tbh. Jimmy Wales is entirely right here.

  • They followed the process for forming a union in the US.

    The claim that the Foundation totally supports the right to unionize but wants to hold a secret election would be a lot more credible if this happened before the workers had a supermajority (!) of signatures collected.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check

    • > They followed the process for forming a union in the US.

      They followed a process. Secret ballots are also an established process. From your own link:

      > Since the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) became law in 1935, card check has been an alternative to the National Labor Relations Board's (NLRB) election process.

      My understanding is that a secret ballot election is actually the more common scenario.

      > The claim that the Foundation totally supports the right to unionize but wants to hold a secret election would be a lot more credible if this happened before the workers had a supermajority (!) of signatures collected.

      Do you really envision a situation where a supermajority of signatures were collected from fully non-coerced and well-informed employees, but some union-busting magic is going to cause them to lose a secret ballot election?

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  • See, what you are missing is the games that would be played if they did a secret election.

    "Can you prove that only employees voted in this?" "Can you prove there was no ballot stuffing? "

    I am not generally pro-union, I believe it has it's place but have also seen downsides but I have seen these games played out before.

Read the post.

It's all fear mongering around a very balanced response from the WMF.

Could they engage in union-busting? Sure. Did they? No.