Comment by red75prime
9 hours ago
Apophatic intelligence? "We don't know what intelligence is, but LLMs with CoT are certainly not it despite being Turing-complete."
Watching for unexpected failure modes is surely worth it.
9 hours ago
Apophatic intelligence? "We don't know what intelligence is, but LLMs with CoT are certainly not it despite being Turing-complete."
Watching for unexpected failure modes is surely worth it.
Turing-completeness is a necessary pre-requisite for being able to fulfill the requirements of a Turing machine, nothing more. In the same way that cell division is a necessary condition for life, but cell division does not mean a given life form itself is sentient.
Intelligent life-forms can generate probabilistic outputs based on inputs, but being able to generate probabilistic outputs based on inputs is not what makes us intelligent.
OK. A more pointed question. What do you know about intelligence that allows you to exclude LLMs with CoT from the category of intelligent systems with certainty?
How do you know there's not a teapot orbiting the sun?
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They were modeled after us, which almost certainly dooms them to stupidity.
They could have been great, if trained on datasets from a more sensible species.
> but being able to generate probabilistic outputs based on inputs is not what makes us intelligent.
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Of course it is. The brain is mechanically not capable of doing anything other than that.
Do you believe the brain is something other than a bundle of probabilistic physical interactions? Or are brains not the source of what we call intelligence?
May I suggest the excellent & recent book: "The brain. In theory" by Romain Brette?
This is going to elevate your thinking on this no end, if you're interested.
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We don’t know
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This deserves about as large of a "[citation needed]" as one could draw. Are you well-studied in neuroscience?
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Why is the brain probabilistic instead of deterministic?
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Yours is a controversial view. It is lazy and selfish to try to get other people to explain their case that it is not exclusively that, when saying that it is exclusively that is the weaker case, and you back it up with nothing but a snarky proclamation.
Are newly born babies reacting due to statistical probabilities that they have derived, or are they using something other than their brains?
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