I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact systemd/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, systemd plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather one more free component of a fully functioning systemd system, made useful by the systemd unit files, target definitions and vital service managers comprising a full OS as defined by Lennart Poettering.
Many computer users run a modified version of the systemd system every day without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of systemd which is widely used today is often called "Linux," and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the systemd system, developed by the systemd project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. Chiefly systemd-udevd, systemd-journald, systemd-resolved, systemd-networkd, systemd-timesyncd, systemd-logind, systemd-homed, systemd-boot, and systemd-oomd, which decides which of your remaining programs deserve to live The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete set of systemd unit files.
If you read the historical archives, Gnu was kinda late in the game with Linux. They were distributing the Joliets 386-BSD and NetBSD and had some drama with trying to do Linux. Debian is a historical spinoff of this.
I gave a conference talk about this about 4 years ago. There may be slight errors in my recollection
I know this is in jest, but because of the "hurr durr" connotations, only the absolute most bearded of free software zealot neckbeards are going to ever run GNU Hurd beyond simplytest driving it.
Open source continues its unbroken streak of showing us why naming things is important.
I have no idea why you think this. You might be terminally online. Hurd is just like "herd" because it's a microkernel, and hurr durr is some social media/gamer shit a tiny amount of people started saying decades after Hurd started being developed.
>I have no idea why you think this. You might be terminally online.
Really? No idea at all? None whatsoever?
Hey maybe it's me and you're right. I'm sure next year will be the year of the GNU/Hurd Desktop. Or, as I've taken to calling it "The year of the GNU plus Hurd Desktop".
People in decision-making positions of course are notorious for being rational actors and always choosing the thing that performs best on its technical merits, never being subconsciously swayed subjective factors. When faced with a choice between commercially-supported software that has had some thought put into its branding (of which naming is a major part) versus some free software that is technically and morally/ethically superior, with a childish name fronted by a dude who eats his own toe jam on camera, I'm certain they'll choose the latter every time, as history has shown.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, just Linux.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact systemd/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, systemd plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather one more free component of a fully functioning systemd system, made useful by the systemd unit files, target definitions and vital service managers comprising a full OS as defined by Lennart Poettering.
Many computer users run a modified version of the systemd system every day without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of systemd which is widely used today is often called "Linux," and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the systemd system, developed by the systemd project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. Chiefly systemd-udevd, systemd-journald, systemd-resolved, systemd-networkd, systemd-timesyncd, systemd-logind, systemd-homed, systemd-boot, and systemd-oomd, which decides which of your remaining programs deserve to live The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete set of systemd unit files.
I’ve recently taken to calling it GNU minus Linux.
Are you saying that Hurd will also kill Google/Linux?
What I'm saying is that Hurd is just a kernel in the same way that Linux is also just a kernel
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Yeah GNU hasn't really been involved for a long time. It's Mozilla/Linux in reality. Not to mention the totally GNU-free distributions, like Alpine.
If you read the historical archives, Gnu was kinda late in the game with Linux. They were distributing the Joliets 386-BSD and NetBSD and had some drama with trying to do Linux. Debian is a historical spinoff of this.
I gave a conference talk about this about 4 years ago. There may be slight errors in my recollection
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The efforts people will go to in order to avoid GPL3. Makes you wonder why?
No, what they're referring to as a GNU/Linux is in fact GNU Hurd.
This is not GNU/Linux. GNU Hurd is a totally different kernel.
Of course it’s a large and complex project in terms of code, but in terms of industrial impact it’s unlikely to ever amount to much.
Linux just has too much momentum and there are too few real benefits to Hurd.
I know this is in jest, but because of the "hurr durr" connotations, only the absolute most bearded of free software zealot neckbeards are going to ever run GNU Hurd beyond simplytest driving it.
Open source continues its unbroken streak of showing us why naming things is important.
Right, which is why something with an offensive name like git could never take off.
Anyways, HURD's biggest problems are performance and perennially missing important features (2026 and no USB support)
That seems like an awesome reason to use it in an era of most software is an AI slopfest.
Go for it. I'll probably stick to Linux, though.
GNU Hurd Durd?
> but because of the "hurr durr" connotations
I have no idea why you think this. You might be terminally online. Hurd is just like "herd" because it's a microkernel, and hurr durr is some social media/gamer shit a tiny amount of people started saying decades after Hurd started being developed.
>I have no idea why you think this. You might be terminally online.
Really? No idea at all? None whatsoever?
Hey maybe it's me and you're right. I'm sure next year will be the year of the GNU/Hurd Desktop. Or, as I've taken to calling it "The year of the GNU plus Hurd Desktop".
People in decision-making positions of course are notorious for being rational actors and always choosing the thing that performs best on its technical merits, never being subconsciously swayed subjective factors. When faced with a choice between commercially-supported software that has had some thought put into its branding (of which naming is a major part) versus some free software that is technically and morally/ethically superior, with a childish name fronted by a dude who eats his own toe jam on camera, I'm certain they'll choose the latter every time, as history has shown.