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Comment by braiamp

14 hours ago

Which wouldn't matter where the data is located, so I don't think that this is the reason Fastmail is doing it, because a savvy enough company would know that the problem is that the company is US based.

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kid64  14 hours ago

They're Australian

  • petcat  14 hours ago

    Australian companies are also subject to the USA Cloud Act. As is the UK, with Canada coming on board soon too.

    Even the entire EU is in the process of negotiating the same agreement.

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/united-states-and-ca...

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-a...

    • jorvi  11 hours ago

      That is plain wrong, and on top of that, the CLOUD act doesn't really solve anything because if the order to obtain data is legal for the US arm but illegal for the EU arm, releasing the data from say Ireland to the US would immediately lead to steep monetary and legal penalties for the EU arm.

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    • yborg  13 hours ago

      Your linked information doesn't indicate anywhere that Australia or any other foreign government is subject to US law. The latter states that negotiation with the EU on this topic was suspended in 2019.

      Things have changed. With Chinese law in regards to data within Chinese jurisdiction a long-standing thing and an unfriendly American government potentially in power for an extended period, other countries are realizing the importance of data sovereignty.

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  • perpetuallunch  11 hours ago

    That’s not going to help anyone.

    The Five Eyes is an Anglosphere intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. These countries are party to the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

    • JAlexoid  11 hours ago

      Even being stored in EU doesn't preclude your data from being targeted by signals intelligence. Which is different than requiring US based companies to provide non-US data to American government.

      Does fastmail have a US presence? If no - then they're not bound at all by US jurisdiction.

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