Comment by cyanmoonx
20 hours ago
John C. Lilly once said “there are infinities in the mind” while wearing a raccoon hat like Davy Crocket.
He said it like he’s been somewhere!
I’ve tried to all - I guess DMT, mushroom, etc. don’t work on me in a Terence McKenna storytelling fashion (I only get stoned and have very entertaining closed eye visuals that take me off to sleep).
That said haven’t tried Ketamine. Maybe not for me. Same reason I don’t want to try Fentanyl. I don’t want to fully escape reality, just augment it.
I’ve always thought cannabis makes you more you or “more sober than sober” and in that way can cause a lot of self-reflection and anxiety causing a lot of people looking for escape to avoid it entirely, opting for a PCP/meth “mental escape” or a Fentanyl/Ketamine “bodily escape”.
I just like weed and coffee after it all. Best ones. Reliable. They work. Doesn’t ruin your life. What blows my mind are people afraid to smoke a joint so they skip to edibles or Ketamine not realizing they are signing up for a several hours long bad time lmao. For most at least, without some initiation.
Lilly was a mad man though (in a good way).
Weed can ruin your life, and I'm not referring to the "makes you a boring pothead who doesn't do anything" outcome, but the "triggers debilitating mental illness" outcome.
And I say that as someone who likes weed! I've just seen it happen too many times. The chance is low, but you don't know which category you're in until it happens, and you definitely don't want to find out.
I support legalization, for several reasons, but harmless she is not!
It's a full blown psychedelic, and a lot of people don't seem to realize that. So I think the pendulum counter swing from the war on drugs is ironically doing a lot of unnecessary harm.
I tried alcohol, DXM (cough syrup), codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone before I ever took my first puff of marijuana. I don't like smoke so I was very off put by it. Finally tried it when I was 16 or 17 and I remember it being really cool, like how music sounded, but overall was kind of underwhelmed. Strangely, as the years went on, I have grown much more sensitive to THC. I don't like the headspace it gets me in and only really use it as a sleep aid anymore. Mushrooms, 2C-E, ketamine, methoxetamine, methylone, MDMA, LSD, salvia, kratom alkaloids, 4-aco-dmt, and a few others. Used all of those over the years. Not regularly anymore. But none of those things mess with my head the way high strength marijuana or an edible does.
Yeah first couple times cannabis very commonly "doesn't do anything".
I think it's because our society legalized and even promotes the strongest substances of them all, so THC seems very subtle in comparison to something like caffeine and alcohol which is arguably the most potent psychedelic inebriant known delivering loss of motor control, at high doses total loss of consciousness, completely altered vision and decision-making to the point you can't operate machinery or do basic tasks. It has hypnogogic effects that show you closed-eye visuals and make you sleepy. Kinda funny how alcohol is the most accepted "drug", to the point it isn't even called one - yet its effects are as intense and socially disruptive as the hardest drugs available.
Coffee, also. The effects of C. arabica is like a very strong version of the A. muscaria mushroom. We have cultivated it to be insanely potent over the centuries. Coffee is about the most potent and euphoric stimulant I can consume without it feeling like it's taking over and ruining my identity - like you get with a lot of pharmacological concoctions.
> the way high strength marijuana or an edible does
Yeah, I don't think it's great for every personality type. It's a "value-changing" drug that will change your opinions on things, and make you think about personal things in ways you would naturally avoid (sometimes to your benefit). I'm no psychologist but THC is powerful enough to change you enough that you can lose friends, family, and interests - but you may gain some new ones, or realize that you're better off without those things. At any rate, it's a very psychological drug that makes you re-order your life. Some people don't need it. If you don't, probably better off without it (not medical advice! just some guy's rant).
> salvia
I'll share my experience with it, because it's perhaps the most mis-marketed thing out there. My experience with the dried leaf (1x - just the real whole leaves you get at those hippie crystal type shops) is nothing whatsoever like people have described. I had 0 trips or any "high". The experience to me is an intense form of focus, as if nothing can distract you. It's subtle, but you can lock into work like crazy if you put this in a pour-over coffee. The best way I would describe it is you quickly "forget" or "let go" of unwanted thoughts, effortlessly, and it helps you focus. It's not euphoric in the slightest - so I think people miss this very useful effect. It's zen. Clear and focused. It might compete with ADHD medication, so maybe it's not promoted very much since it may be a market threat. That's the effect though IMO. Think - coffee high without the high. 10x, 25x salvia gets "weird" only because it's too much at once. I think if you "turned that effect up" to the max it would be like having dementia, because you would not be able to hold onto anything. But turn that effect back down to 1x and you have something quite useful for focused work. I compare it to A. muscaria, coffee, or tea, but it's "lighter" (and more efficient) than caffeine.
I made a low dose salvia tincture many years ago and it was more intense than what you're describing, but I could totally see regular leaf or a lower potency extract taken orally acting like that. Might have to give it a try.
Apparently, hyperspace isn't a given with DMT. I wonder what it is that grants entry... A very experienced friend of mine was just "told" it wasn't going to happen in something like a waiting room. I would love to find out myself but I am too anxious an individual to go beyond a light dose of mushrooms.
> I am too anxious an individual to go beyond a light dose of mushrooms
Same for me. The one time I did, I was at Trader Joe's and had the most bizarre experience looking at everyone shopping.
I could not believe that the products were sitting right there in the open, and yet nobody was taking them and just walking off. There was all sorts of polity and etiquette - millions of rules were being followed almost like a choreographed event.
I found it uncontrollably hilarious that everyone was pretending to not notice everyone else in the store. They would stand 5 inches from someone looking at canned food, and both people would pay no attention at all to each other.
Anyway, the way I looked was probably crazy, and it eliminated my inhibitions too much where I was kinda moving before thinking - didn't like that feeling. I almost grabbed someone's item out of their cart and said something about it, but I don't know what I'd say. I probably would have just started laughing like a maniac.
I'm afraid on a larger dose I would go somewhere and do something before realizing what I'm doing. The microdose is the best for that kind of thing, IMO. Same reason I will have a beer or glass of wine, and don't like getting smashed in public.
Classic. Went to the supermarket on shrooms with my mates, but we all ended up giggling so hard we had to wait outside for the trip sitter to do the groceries instead.
Buddy of mine made omelets later. He ended up chopping like 3 lbs of extra mushrooms for no reason.
RIP mushrooms
Yeah, and apparently you can get banned from it too?
In my experience you can’t get there through external sources
You need to be accepting and prepared to die in every sense of the word in order get there
Which means you need to shed your ego entirely and everyone has their own journey there.
You’ll know when you meet someone that has experienced it though it’s very rare
I have a serious question, and please don't take this as an insult, I'm trying to figure something out.
Do you have ADHD or is it possible you do? What about depression? Bipolar?
I ask because of the way you say the substances impacted you. I know people with these formal diagnosis and they also don't have the same experiences on various substances as many.
Not the guy but I relate. You also forgot the narcissism, autism and schizophrenia ;)
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